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Someone please make this mechanical keyboard

Discussion in 'Cool Ideas and other wishes' started by asdf334, Sep 12, 2017.

  1. asdf334

    asdf334 Still Fresh

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    I want a mechanical keyboard with keys similar to the green switches but much harder to press. Someone make this please?
     
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  2. FBnil

    FBnil ¡sɥʇuoɯ oʍʇ uı ɐɹʎԀ

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    Short answer:

    Cherry mx linear Grey (still in production) at around 80g actuation and then there are two discontinued switches, the cherry mx "space black" with 100-120g and the cherry mx super black with 150g linear
    Not that hard to find, but not guaranteed that all keys work evenly, as you buy second hand.



    A little bit of background information goes a long way:

    This is a Cherry MX Green switch Actuation Force: 80g

    There are 3 types of keys:
    1. Linear. The keystroke is consistent and smooth.
    2. Tactile. A bump in the middle of travel, usually around the actuation point.
    3. Clicky. A bump in the middle of travel accompanied by a sharp “click” sound.

    From this article 2013

    The greens' 105 g bottom-out force, meanwhile, is far above that of other offerings, even the old IBM Model M.
    For reference, the actuation graph in IBM's buckling spring patent suggests the Model M requires around 70 g of force for actuation and 80 g to bottom out.
    However, the Green is marketed as being a 80g, see this list (with virtually all bigbrand keyboard switches, except Zelio which maxes out at 78g)

    here are animated gifs of the innner workings

    here is a graph with their travel vs resistance (in cN, centi Newton I presume)

    other links: reddit (list with actuation force)





    Or better: find the right keys (type, for example, "Actuation Force: 90g" into google), then do it yourself (very fun page about keyboard fanatics)

    Anything above 100g actually shows Ergonometrics and medical problems. As is: Why do you want a keyboard that is so hard?

    And experiment: buy pens with hard springs, replace them in your keyboard... test... (put a small wooden block and coins on top on the key until it clicks, weigh the contraption on a digital food scale... not precise, but cheap)
    --- Double Post Merged, Sep 12, 2017, Original Post Date: Sep 12, 2017 ---
    That reminds me: I need to repair my keyboard...
     
  3. rygD

    rygD Nihilistic Mystic

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    I don't think this is in the right section.

    I haven't tried any all green keyboards, but blue clones I have tried are definitely a bit soft. I considered looking for a green one for a while, but I couldn't find any locally to try out to see how they felt. I strongly offer something tactile, so those grey switches wouldn't work for me, and I wouldn't want to go much higher than the Unicomp Model M that I currently use, which feels prefect to me, although I do have concerns about what sort of damage I am doing (I have enough wear and tear on my body I am dealing with, so I don't want to not be able to type on top of everything else). I really want to get a Model F, probably more for nerdy irrelevant reasons than to preserve my typing ability (although in all the ways I have heard the Unicomp and other late Model Ms are inferior to the early IBM ones, I think actuation force being a bit lighter was one, but that could have just been someone trying to justify to themself why they needed to stick with the good old ones instead of a new one).

    Even if they weren't linear I think I would stay away from the space black and especially the super black, not because of long term damage, but because they don't seem like they would be good for a whole keyboard (but some might say the same of greens). It just sounds exhausting to me to try to type on those. If you do throw a bunch of them together in a keyboard I, and probably many others, would like to see the results, preferably in a video, and hear about your thoughts on using it.

    @FBnil, I have seen most of your links before, and I still enjoy reading and watching them. Mostly the watching. You need this picture:
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    OH, YEAH!
     
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    I did not realize that the mods allowed posting porn on these boards :)
     
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  5. FBnil

    FBnil ¡sɥʇuoɯ oʍʇ uı ɐɹʎԀ

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    Clicky!
     
  6. rygD

    rygD Nihilistic Mystic

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    Shhh, don't tell them.
    --- Double Post Merged, Sep 13, 2017, Original Post Date: Sep 13, 2017 ---
    Quiet, you! After my post above I spent hours looking at keyboard stuff. I really want one of the newly manufactured Model Fs now.
     
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  7. FBnil

    FBnil ¡sɥʇuoɯ oʍʇ uı ɐɹʎԀ

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    ROFL Sorry! It's time you will never get back.
     
  8. Grench

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    If they made a full or TKL one with a complete set of keys - maybe. Those versions they list on the new Fs website are all pretty compromised layouts. I get it - they're minimizing the mechanism count per keyboard - but at those prices, put in the other ~20 keys and do it right.
     

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