Bush Lets U.s. Spy On Callers Without Courts!


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The PATRIOT Act is doing what we leftist extremists said it would. According to the following article, the U.S. spies on over 500 phone calls at any given time!

NY Times Article

Is this crazy only to me, or is this some Orwell stuff?
 
Lol. Thank God I live in England where the government do not spy on us, and therefore have no chance of finding out about my highly illegal activities... Wait, who's that outside? Oh noes! The special forces? Shiiiiiiii...

*A note from the Minister for criminal apprehension*

This post was modified after the arrest of its original poster to increase dramatic effect.
 
Argh. I'm angry with the US's political corruption so much that I'm moving to Iceland in a hurry after college. I was thinking Canada, then the UK, then Iceland.
 
Personally I don't think it should really matter unless you've got something you want to hide. When they are "spying" on the telephone calls it technically only searches for "terrorist activities." It's not like they are trying to find out every little detail about you down to the "ring of fire on your ass" then tell it to the whole nation. NOw if you start talking about assassinating the president or some other high leader they will probably take that it to question and do more indepth search.
 
No. Some rediculous things get you on the FBI's list, like checking out Mein Kampf and/or the Anarchist's Cookbook, or making phone calls to India, etc. If anyone makes ANY international calls, whatsoever, they are being monitored 9 times out of ten.

Of course there's the argument, "Unless you have nothing to hide, you shouldn't have a problem," of course, pointing the finger back in your's truly's direction, but there's a tiny thing called privacy. You wouldn't want your roommate sitting in the room, or picking up the phone and hearing the whole conversation in a call to your wife/husband in another country, now would you? They also use this PATRIOT act bullshit to monitor people's internet activity. No doubt because I'm importing an electronic device from another country into this one am I being monitored. I have NOTHING to hide but who I am. I don't want some FBI agent to bang down my door because I post this. And if someone's saying that they won't, how many harmless Cat Stevens' have to banned from flying in a plane for people to realize that they're just targeting muslims.
 
You wouldn't want your roommate sitting in the room, or picking up the phone and hearing the whole conversation in a call to your wife/husband in another country, now would you?
First of all you are monitored by a computer that picks up certain keywords, and if thoughs keywords are triggered it raises a flag that makes you be monitored more closely.

They also use this PATRIOT act bullshit to monitor people's internet activity.
Second, a lot more people than the government are monitoring you internet activity, for instance your ISP. Infact a lot of people are watching you, awhile ago I downloaded a program that monitors all the IPs of people coming in "monitoring" me and blocks them. A lot of them were Universities, Sony and some other company that started with a X.
 
I wonder what those keywords are? Al Quaeda? Smartbomb? Shoe Bomb? Jihad? Hitler? Osama? Saddam Hussein (Though I don't know why that would be one...)

Where do you get these IP blockers? I did a google search, but didn't yeild any results because I don't really know what to look for. I'm sure Sony's on my back because of the whole GP2X and "I'm selling my PSP stuff" /joking
 
So far, 'Everyone's Internet' has been blocked, and it's only been up for about 2 minutes, it showed up within 30 seconds.... eeech!
 
a while ago (when the the internet was young) people used to try and foil the authoritys with "spookfodder", a pile of potential "computer monitoring sensitive" keywords that would trigger a response from any system monitoring your mail, then they appended it to almost everthing sent via the net so, pictures, e-mails, irc etc, often sending spookfodder abroad just to make sure it got checked, the idea is that with so many false positives it rendered monitoring useless, they just don`t have enough people to physicaly check every mail/posting sent through the internet, you can enhance the effect by posting strings of random numbers etc, then they have the added bonus of trying to work out if thats a message to someone ;) eg:

165,43,987,56,3,56,by,ce,mr,xp,vy,ze,zp,11,85,64,47,73,69, bin laden, bush, bomb

naturaly it would not be responsible to do this, just saying it can be done, personaly I know I could send messages over the net and they couldn`t even begin to work out where they where, how they where encoded, or how to unencode em, monitoring is only going to catch the dumbest of the dumb or have them chaseing shadows all the time, in other words, once you know they monitor communications you can negate it or even hinder the opposition by wasting their time and resources, far simpler and effective to rely on conventional counter terrorism methods.


Mentor.
 
hmmm... well, i'm really bad at making decisions like this.... on the one hand, we should have privacy..... on the other hand, if you have nothing to hide then what's the problem..... I'm leaning towards the former......

I'm not sure which political party I agree with (don't really care much, i can't vote yet...) but I'm part of the group that thinks that the government should get the hell out of our business and stop babying us. I think that the tax system should be completely redone to a simple flat tax or something similar. I think that in order to make public schools better they have to create competition in schools and the best way to do that would be to create a school voucher system (where the government gives a certain amount of $ voucher to every child and that money can go towards any school's tuition, public or private, it creates a lot more competition and forces schools to raise standards). I have mixed fillings about abortion, but in general i think it should be against the law (you're killing your own children!!). I think that gay marriage should be legal. I don't like the idea of it as it's a little creepy to me (especially two men/women raising a kid) but I don't think the government has any business telling them who they can love.
 
Well, I hate bush.
Im from NY, the only state where every county voted Blue. So its not my fault, nor my friends fault, nor my parents fault that he is in charge. :(

Oh, and Peer Guardian rocks!
 
dunnit just.
Can you get it to do everything for you, instead of just in bt clients like safepeer?
 
A University of Massachusetts, Dartmouth senior was visited by federal agents in September, after he requested a copy of Quotations From Chairman Mao Tse-Tung, which is colloquially known as "The Little Red Book".

History professors Brian Glyn Williams and Robert Pontbriand reported that the student requested the book through the university library via an interlibrary loan, which the Department of Homeland Security monitors. The agents apparently told the student that the book was on a watch list.

The student was writing a research paper on Maoist communism for Professor Pontbriand's class on fascism and totalitarianism. Government monitoring of library loans is often viewed as totalitarian practice.

"My instinct is that there is a lot more monitoring than we think," said Dr. Williams.
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/U.S._Dept._of_...er_library_book
 
PSyMastR posted on Dec 17 2005 at 11:38 PM said:
Well, I hate bush.
Im from NY, the only state where every county voted Blue. So its not my fault, nor my friends fault, nor my parents fault that he is in charge. :(

Oh, and Peer Guardian rocks!
i was gonna post the same thing, but i supose you beat me to it.

Just for the record I hate Bush myself. The joke is, if he were to run for a 3rd term (hypothetically speaking of course), he would be voted in despite the obvious failure of this current term.
 
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Hell, I voted for Nader. A guy like that just needs numbers, not electoral college stuff, so, I figure, he stands for what I want, why not vote fer him? My state was blue anyway...



Goddammit electoral college. Screwed the Dems out of Gore for four years. *America! The Only "Free" Country Where Voting Doesn't Matter!*
 
Rayek posted on Dec 22 2005 at 02:36 AM said:
Goddammit electoral college. Screwed the Dems out of Gore for four years. *America! The Only "Free" Country Where Voting Doesn't Matter!*
* Besides any other. Yeah, America sucks, but so does every other country.
 
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the electoral college, while still somewhat stupid, has some solid reasoning behind it.

as i said before, i'm not too into politics, but one thing i'm definitely for: Flat tax

liberals say that its not fair because the rich should have to pair more than the poor. However, this is a stupid argument because this is based off of percentages so therefore the rich WILL pay more than the poor. So now we have a tax code that is hundreds of thousands of pages long so that everyone is taxed "fairly".....

so, now, let's say you have person A who works one part time job at McDonald's and then you have person B who works a part time job at McDonalds and another part time job elsewhere. For every dollar that Person A makes working at McDonalds, he will have to pay .20 of it to taxes, leaving him with 80 cents. For every dollar that Person B makes working at McDonalds, he will have to pay .35 of it to taxes leaving him with 65 cents. For the exact same amount of work, person B will have to give the government more money than person A because he has a second job and therefore makes more money (he works his ass off!). What the hell?!?!

*NOTE*
The figures above are made up because I didn't feel like finding a real-life example. I have, however, extensively studied both ends of the argument and understand them better than most people.
 
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