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|'''Pandora 1Ghz'''
|'''Pandora 1Ghz'''
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|Price (EUR)
|rowspan="2"| Price
| style="background-color: palegoldenrod"| ~500-600
| style="background-color: palegoldenrod"| ~500€[https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/threads/finalizing-everything.77289/]
| style="background-color: palegreen"| ~265 (crowdfund)<ref name="gpdwin_spec"/> or ~445 (retail)
~600€(LTE Version)
| style="background-color: peachpuff"| ~1200<ref name="neo900_price">[https://my.neo900.org/index.php?id_product=1&controller=product&id_lang=1 Store says 480 EUR is ~40% partial funding]</ref>
| style="background-color: palegreen"| ~266€ (crowdfund)<ref name="gpdwin_spec"/> or ~445€ (retail)
| style="background-color: peachpuff"| ~1200€<ref name="neo900_price">[https://my.neo900.org/index.php?id_product=1&controller=product&id_lang=1 Store says 480 EUR is ~40% partial funding]</ref>
| n/a(EOL)
| n/a(EOL)
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|Price (USD)
| style="background-color: palegoldenrod"| ~$565 or ~$677
| style="background-color: palegoldenrod"| ~565-677
| style="background-color: palegreen"| ~$300 or ~$500
| style="background-color: palegreen"| ~300 (crowdfund)<ref name="gpdwin_spec"/> or ~500 (retail)
| style="background-color: peachpuff"| ~$1350
| style="background-color: peachpuff"| ~1350<ref name="neo900_price"/>
| n/a(EOL)
| n/a(EOL)
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| style="background-color: palegoldenrod"| 6 Non-RGB LEDs<ref>All are on the Hinge</ref> <!-- The 2 next to the Power LED aren't populated and the Driver transistor is missing -->
| style="background-color: palegoldenrod"| 6 Non-RGB LEDs<ref>All are on the Hinge</ref> <!-- The 2 next to the Power LED aren't populated and the Driver transistor is missing -->
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|Keyboard Layout (QWERTY)
| Keyboard Backlight
| style="background-color: palegreen"| Yes<ref name="pyra_spec" />
| style="background-color: pink"| No
| style="background-color: palegreen"| Yes <ref>Via 6 RGB LEDs[http://neo900.org/news/xmas-update]</ref>
| style="background-color: pink"| No
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|Keyboard Layout
|style="background-color: palegreen"| Good<ref>[https://youtu.be/d4t9Ys8wI6k?t=5m45s Video of the Prototype (at around 5:40)]</ref>
|style="background-color: palegreen"| Good<ref>[https://youtu.be/d4t9Ys8wI6k?t=5m45s Video of the Prototype (at around 5:40)]</ref>
|style="background-color: peachpuff"| Problematic <ref name="gpdwin_issue" />
|style="background-color: peachpuff"| Problematic <ref name="gpdwin_issue" />
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|style="background-color: palegoldenrod"| OK
|style="background-color: palegoldenrod"| OK
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|Keyboard Layout (Dvorak)
|Keyboard Layout (Dvorak)
|style="background-color: pink"| Impossible
|style="background-color: pink"| Impossible
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|style="background-color: pink"| Impossible
|style="background-color: pink"| Impossible
|style="background-color: pink"| Impossible
|style="background-color: pink"| Impossible
Removing this as an Dvorak Keyboard Layout on an Thumb-typing Device isn't an huge advantage and would make this Table too long/Detailed; Why should this be impossible on the other Devices BTW?
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Removing this as an Dvorak Keyboard Layout on an Thumb-typing Device isn't an huge advantage and would make this Table too long/Detailed -->


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| Keyboard Backlight
| style="background-color: palegreen"| Yes<ref name="pyra_spec" />
| style="background-color: pink"| No
| style="background-color: palegreen"| Yes <ref>Via 6 RGB LEDs[http://neo900.org/news/xmas-update]</ref>
| style="background-color: pink"| No
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| Keyboard keys
| Keyboard keys
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| [[Nubs]]<ref name="pandora_spec" />
| [[Nubs]]<ref name="pandora_spec" />
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|Simultaneous use of mouse and all other controls
|Simultaneous use of mouse and all other controls
| style="background-color: palegreen"| Yes
| style="background-color: palegreen"| Yes
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| style="background-color: pink"| n/a
| style="background-color: pink"| n/a
| style="background-color: palegreen"| Yes
| style="background-color: palegreen"| Yes
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|Volume control
|Volume control
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|Windows x86 compatibility <!-- The x86 is IMPORTANT: there are non-x86 MS Windows versions, which are essentially useless for most wanting "Windows compatibility" -->
|Windows x86 compatibility <!-- The x86 is IMPORTANT: there are non-x86 MS Windows versions, which are essentially useless for most wanting "Windows compatibility" -->
| style="background-color: peachpuff"| via WINE plus an x86 emulator (such as Exagear)
| style="background-color: peachpuff"| via WINE + x86 Emulator (Exagear/qemu)
| style="background-color: palegreen"| Native x86_64
| style="background-color: palegreen"| Native x86_64
| style="background-color: peachpuff"| via WINE plus an x86 emulator (such as Exagear)
| style="background-color: peachpuff"| via WINE + x86 Emulator (Exagear/qemu)
| style="background-color: peachpuff"| via WINE plus an x86 emulator (such as Exagear)
| style="background-color: peachpuff"| via WINE + x86 Emulator (Exagear/qemu)
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|Android compatibility
|Android compatibility
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|rowspan="2"|Battery
|rowspan="2"|Battery
| style="background-color: palegreen"| 6000mAh<ref name="pyra_spec" />, 3.7V-4.2V?
| style="background-color: palegreen"| 6000mAh<ref name="pyra_spec" />, 3.7V-4.2V?
|rowspan="2" style="background-color: palegreen"| 6000mAh, ?V<ref name="gpdwin_spec" />
| style="background-color: palegreen"| 6000mAh, ?V<ref name="gpdwin_spec" />
| style="background-color: peachpuff"| 1320mAh, 3.7V-4.2V
| style="background-color: peachpuff"| 1320mAh, 3.7V-4.2V
| style="background-color: palegoldenrod"| 4200mAh<ref name="pandora_spec" />, 4.2V
| style="background-color: palegoldenrod"| 4200mAh<ref name="pandora_spec" />, 4.2V
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|style="background-color: palegreen"| Removable
|style="background-color: palegreen"| Removable
|style="background-color: pink"| Non Removable
|style="background-color: palegreen"| Removable
|style="background-color: palegreen"| Removable
|style="background-color: palegreen"| Removable
|style="background-color: palegreen"| Removable
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| style="background-color: pink"| No
| style="background-color: pink"| No
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|External memory card slots<ref name="availablesizes"/>
|Memory card slots<ref name="availablesizes"/>
| style="background-color: palegreen"| 2x SDXC <=512GiB/Slot = '''1TiB'''<ref name="pyra_spec" />
| style="background-color: palegreen"| 2x SDXC <=512GiB/Slot + 1x microSDXC <=200GiB = '''1.2TiB'''<ref name="pyra_spec" />
| style="background-color: peachpuff"| 1x microSD <='''200GiB'''<ref name="gpdwin_spec" />
| style="background-color: peachpuff"| 1x microSD <='''200GiB'''<ref name="gpdwin_spec" />
| style="background-color: pink"| No
| style="background-color: peachpuff"| 1x microSDXC <='''200GiB'''
| style="background-color: palegreen"| 2x SDXC <=512GiB/Slot = '''1TiB'''<ref name="pandora_spec" />
| style="background-color: palegreen"| 2x SDXC <=512GiB/Slot = '''1TiB'''<ref name="pandora_spec" />
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|Internal memory card slots<ref name="availablesizes"/>
<!-- Removed "Internal SD Card Slots"; GPD's MicroSD is accessible from the Outside BTW -->
| style="background-color: palegreen"| 1x microSDXC <='''200GiB'''<ref name="pyra_spec" />
| style="background-color: pink"| No
| style="background-color: palegreen"| 1x microSDXC <='''200GiB'''
| style="background-color: pink"| No
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|Embedded storage
|Embedded storage
| style="background-color: palegoldenrod"| 32 GB eMMC<ref name="pyra_spec" />
| style="background-color: palegoldenrod"| 32 GB eMMC<ref name="pyra_spec" />
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|Hardware Documentation
|Hardware Documentation
| style="background-color: palegoldenrod"| Planned
| Planned
| style="background-color: pink"| No
| style="background-color: pink"| No
| style="background-color: palegreen"| [http://neo900.org/resources Yes]
| style="background-color: palegreen"| [http://neo900.org/resources Yes]

Revision as of 19:18, 23 April 2016


Pyra GPD Win Neo900 Pandora 1Ghz
Price ~500€[5]

~600€(LTE Version)

~266€ (crowdfund)[1] or ~445€ (retail) ~1200€[2] n/a(EOL)
~$565 or ~$677 ~$300 or ~$500 ~$1350 n/a(EOL)
Size ~140 x 84 x 29mm[3] 155 x 96 x 20mm[1] 111 x 60 x 20mm 140 x 83 x 27mm[4]
Screen size 5"[3] 5.5"[1] 3.5"[5] 4.3"[4]
Screen resolution 1280x720 (720p)[3] 1280x720 (720p)[1] 800x480[5] 800x480[4]
Touchscreen Dualtouch Resistive (Stylus included) Capacitive, multitouch[1] Dualtouch Resistive (Stylus included)[5] Resistive (Stylus included)[6]
Notification LEDs Total 5 RGB LEDs[6] Only power indicator Total 5 RGB LEDs[7] 6 Non-RGB LEDs[8]
Keyboard Backlight Yes[3] No Yes [9] No
Keyboard Layout Good[10] Problematic [11] OK OK
Keyboard keys 47[12] (including ESCAPE and F11 away from main section) 67[13] 38 43[14]
Face buttons 6[3] 4[1] 0 4[4]
Shoulder buttons 4[3] 4[1] 0 2[4]
Control buttons 6[12] 4[13] 4 + slider & camera cover 3 + slider[14]
Analogue control Nubs, clickable[3] mini-joysticks[1] None Nubs[4]
Volume control Wheel[3] (digital input device: software control[7]) Buttons[1] Buttons Wheel[4] (direct hardware control)
Vibration motor Yes No Yes No
Primary Operating System Debian GNU/Linux ARMhf (modified) Microsoft Windows 10[1] Devuan GNU/Linux (modified) SuperZaxxon[15]
Free/libre OS (per DFSG) default non-free 3D graphics drivers No non-free 3D graphics drivers[16] non-free 3D graphics drivers, WiFi and Bluetooth
Free/libre OS (per DFSG) when running Linux non-free 3D graphics drivers Possibly (at least free 3D graphics drivers)[17] non-free 3D graphics drivers[16] non-free 3D graphics drivers, WiFi, Bluetooth
Windows x86 compatibility via WINE + x86 Emulator (Exagear/qemu) Native x86_64 via WINE + x86 Emulator (Exagear/qemu) via WINE + x86 Emulator (Exagear/qemu)
Android compatibility dualboot OR via compatibility layer (like Shashlik) dualboot[18] OR via emulator (such as Android SDK's QEMU variant) dualboot OR via compatibility layer (like Shashlik) dualboot OR via compatibility layer (like Shashlik)
Android ARM compatibility [19] dualboot OR via compatibility layer (like Shashlik) via emulator (such as Android SDK's QEMU variant) dualboot OR via compatibility layer (like Shashlik) dualboot OR via compatibility layer (like Shashlik)
Desktop GNU/Linux compatibility Native dualboot[18] OR via emulator Native Native
CPU TI OMAP5432: 2x ARM Cortex-A15 1.5Ghz; NEON SIMD[3] Intel Atom x5-Z8550: 4x Intel Cherry Trail x86_64 1.44Ghz; SSE SIMD[18] TI OMAP3 DM3730: 1x ARM Cortex A8 @ 1.0 Ghz; NEON SIMD[5] TI OMAP3 DM3730: 1x ARM Cortex A8 @ 1.0 Ghz; NEON SIMD[4]
RAM 2 GB DDR3L-533 Dual-Channel[3][20]; Maybe 4Gb[8] 4 GB LPDDR3-1600[1] Dual-Channel[18] 1 GB[5] 512 MB DDR1 @ 200Mhz[4]
GPU PowerVR SGX544-MP2[3][21] Intel HD Graphics 400 @ 200-600MHz, 12-core, shared memory[18][22] PowerVR SGX530 @ 200MHz SGX530 @ 200MHz[4]
Co-processor(s)
  • TI C64+ DSP[3]
  • 2x ARM Cortex M4 @ 200Mhz(IPU)[3]
  • Vivante GC320 2D Accelerator[3]
  • None
  • TI C64x+ DSP
  • TI C64x DSP @ 800MHz[4]
Wireless LAN IEEE 802.11 a/b/g/n[9][3] IEEE 802.11 a/b/g/n[23] IEEE 802.11 a/b/g/n[5] IEEE 802.11 b/g[4]
Bluetooth Bluetooth 4.1[3] Bluetooth 4.1[23] Bluetooth 4.1[5] Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR[4]
Cell modem (SIM card slot) Optional: Built-in LTE Modem: 100Mbps download, 50Mbps upload[3] No Optional: Built-in LTE Modem: 100Mbps download, 50Mbps upload No
OR: UMTS HSPA 14.4/5.76 Mbps with CDMA[5]
Two Sim Slots switchable via Software[24] (Dual-SIM); unused SIM slot can be accessed by CPU as a smartcard
Satellite navigation (GNSS) If with cell modem: GPS, cell tower assisted A-GPS, GLONASS[3] No If with cell modem: GPS, cell tower assisted A-GPS, GLONASS[5] No
Upgrades Display, CPU-Board No Via HackerBus in battery compartment No
Battery 6000mAh[3], 3.7V-4.2V? 6000mAh, ?V[1] 1320mAh, 3.7V-4.2V 4200mAh[4], 4.2V
Removable Non Removable Removable Removable
Battery life (claimed, high power draw) 10 hours[25] 8 hours[1] 4-5 hours 10 hours[4]
Battery life (claimed, standby) ??? ??? 10 days ???
Video output Micro-HDMI (type D)[3] Mini-HDMI (type C)[1] TRRS Composite[26] custom connector required, S-Video + RCA + Line-In &- Out[4]
USB 2x Type A 2.0, 1x Micro-B 3.0 (OTG), 1x Micro-B 1.1 (2.0?) (debug/charging)[3] 1x Type A 2.0, 1x Micro-B 2.0[1] Micro-AB 2.0 (OTG)[5] 1x Type A 2.0 (host, lacks 1.1 -- needs hub), 1x Micro-AB 2.0 OTG[4]
eSATA via adapter using one USB port (of two) No No No
Memory card slots[27] 2x SDXC <=512GiB/Slot + 1x microSDXC <=200GiB = 1.2TiB[3] 1x microSD <=200GiB[1] 1x microSDXC <=200GiB 2x SDXC <=512GiB/Slot = 1TiB[4]
Embedded storage 32 GB eMMC[3] 64 GB eMMC[1] 64 GB eMMC + 512MiB NAND[5] 512 MB NAND[4]
FM radio No No Rx & Tx[5] No
Camera No No VGA front & 5 MP rear[5] No
NFC No No Yes[5][28] No
Hardware Documentation Planned No Yes Yes
Shipping month No earlier than July[29] October No earlier than July[30] n/a
Main countries of manufacture Germany, Greece China Germany (N900 from Finland) Germany, UK, China
  1. 1.00 1.01 1.02 1.03 1.04 1.05 1.06 1.07 1.08 1.09 1.10 1.11 1.12 1.13 1.14 1.15 1.16 GPD Win specification
  2. Store says 480 EUR is ~40% partial funding
  3. 3.00 3.01 3.02 3.03 3.04 3.05 3.06 3.07 3.08 3.09 3.10 3.11 3.12 3.13 3.14 3.15 3.16 3.17 3.18 3.19 3.20 3.21 3.22 Pyra specification
  4. 4.00 4.01 4.02 4.03 4.04 4.05 4.06 4.07 4.08 4.09 4.10 4.11 4.12 4.13 4.14 4.15 4.16 4.17 4.18 Pandora specification
  5. 5.00 5.01 5.02 5.03 5.04 5.05 5.06 5.07 5.08 5.09 5.10 5.11 5.12 5.13 Neo900 specification

  6. 2 on back
    1 under power button
    2 next to power button

  7. 1 on the display
    2 on the sides
    1 on left side of keyboard (not visible when closed)
    1 on the rear above the camera (between the flash LEDs; visible only when camera open)
  8. All are on the Hinge
  9. Via 6 RGB LEDs[1]
  10. Video of the Prototype (at around 5:40)
  11. The GPD Win seems to be too large to reach the Center Keys see here: [2] Also the Keyboard is not Centered, and the Layout isn't optimal[3]
  12. 12.0 12.1 Pyra mockup image
  13. 13.0 13.1 GPD Win mockup image
  14. 14.0 14.1 Pandora photo
  15. derived from Ångström, a GNU/Linux variant for ARM[4]
  16. 16.0 16.1 Neo900 FAQ
  17. This depends on hardware details, particularly for the BIOS (currently non-free), WiFi and Bluetooth (non-free on the Pandora)
  18. 18.0 18.1 18.2 18.3 18.4 GPD Win comments & replies
  19. The ARM is IMPORTANT: there are non-ARM Android versions, which would not run most high-performance ARM programs, which use native ARM code
  20. RAM Datasheet
  21. PowerVR SGX544-MP2 benchmarks
  22. Cherry Trail GPU benchmarks
  23. 23.0 23.1 GPD Win development updates
  24. Neo900 block diagram
  25. No official statement
  26. Like the N900, per IRC discussion.
  27. Using already available SD(XC)-Card sizes as the SDXC-Standard has an theoretical maximum of 2TiB/Card and those Cards simply don't exist yet.
  28. Neo900 NFC info
  29. "PCB-wise, once we can approve everything to be working fine, it'll take about 2 - 3 months until the production can happen."
  30. [14:19:59] <DocScrutinizer05> well, Q3 is optimistic, 2016 is honest
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