Covid-19 (Coronavirus) - Please stay safe, y'all


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I have to admid, its now too high for my Scool Background, :

- Whe have a Pandemic, whe wear a Mask so whe ditnt get it, but also dont give it away, and whe have to wash our hands..
, also the Mask, if its a Buff like i use saves your Neck from Sun Burn which may cause Cancer, which is not a Sea Animal, but a pretty bad disease..
 
What’s the net rate if one the one hand it has a feature that would cause it to mutate slower, whilst on the other hand also having a feature that would cause it to mutate faster?


Difficult to say it is not easy to express in rate, since not being repaired makes small mutations fast, and these small mutations are being slowed down by the proofreading. The other mechanism makes huge leaps, basically can transform the virus into some whole other virus.
The first mechanism has to take a very long time to achieve something that the latter mechanism can do in one go. However the latter mechanism also yields a lot of not viable virus, much more can go wrong.

In the end the consensus in the field is that the nCov2 virus is relatively stable so not much change over time.(it can be followed here: https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global?c=country&m=div the bar graph underneath is clickable and shows all the mutations and the rate)
 
I'm not sure comparing death rates due to covid under US healthcare is really comparable to death rates under Swedish healthcare. We all know the US system is strongly biased in favour of the rich, while Sweden treats everyone who gets ill regardless of means. Surely therefore, comparing against countries with similar socialist health care systems is better than comparing against a country half way around the world that will happily watch you die if you can't afford the treatment.
 
Okay fair enough, that is how you feel. I am curious though, why do you hate America? Where does that come from?
 
Okay fair enough, that is how you feel. I am curious though, why do you hate America? Where does that come from?


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Its probably a cold war thing, after the second world war america tried to enforce their kapatalistic ways on others (being a super power and all that and preventing communism to spread) europe was in debt to them (helping/wìnning the war, marshall plan, keeping russians out). Then it started crumbling at arould the first gulf war and the war in kosovo, america started to loose their own stability but kept enforcing their ways. Meanwhile their social security systems seems pretty backward compared to many european countries.

In short it is difference in political opinion mostly I think.

For me as a dutch person they seem terribly rightwing, and sadly our country is modeling itself in america's way becomming terribly rightwing itself aswell, hence not a system I would want/aspire. I think many of their inhabitants are great people Ive worked there and it seems okay, however its political system is very focused on a I kind of american dream like makeable society where succes is choice that just doesnt seem right. If succes is a choice why would anyone ever choose something else. i think succes is much more a commodity (combined with some luck) that's only given to a few.
 
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Okay fair enough, that is how you feel. I am curious though, why do you hate America? Where does that come from?

Afraid I missed where the alleged hatred of America comes from. I read @levi's comment as an expressed comparison of differing healthcare systems with no indication of what may be more "correct." Was his statement incorrect in some way?
 
Aha. Levi? Anyone else?

Afraid I missed where the alleged hatred of America comes from. I read @levi's comment as an expressed comparison of differing healthcare systems with no indication of what may be more "correct." Was his statement incorrect in some way?

Well, honestly, I am reading between the lines. There would be a lot to write and explore in order to determine how much is true or false and the cause and effect of all of the related issues.

The people here are so nice, there is no point in trying to win an argument. It is way more interesting to just hear peoples honest thoughts and anti americanism / anti capitalism is really interesting I think.

I would like to hear more if anyone has anything to add.
 
Afraid I missed where the alleged hatred of America comes from. I read @levi's comment as an expressed comparison of differing healthcare systems with no indication of what may be more "correct." Was his statement incorrect in some way?
To be fair, I do think the US healthcare system is less caring than those of Western Europe, so it wouldn't surprise me if my post gives that impression. Not that I hate the US, it's produced some of the greatest music throughout the past 100 years for one thing.
 
Stupidity in the UK

Under the previous system, anyone who has ever tested positive for the virus in England was automatically counted as a coronavirus death when they died, even if the death was from a car accident

 
To be fair, I do think the US healthcare system is less caring than those of Western Europe

Well, as Obama and Trump agree, "healthcare is very complicated"... I find it funny how Trump phrases it like no one has thought that it was complicated ever before.
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Stupidity in the UK

You don't need to look far to find that. Like the beaches in the UK this hot summer weekend.
 
You don't need to look far to find that. Like the beaches in the UK this hot summer weekend
Don't know... I'm very confused on this whole matter. Clearly the numbers have been inflated. So you've had busy beaches, demonstrations, and yet deaths are dropping. Where are the spikes from these mass gatherings?
Why face masks now, four months after the initial (known) outbreak? After them saying they're useless.

I don't want to go conspiracy theory, but a lot of stuff doesn't make any sense (blokes can have beards trimmed at a barbers, but women can't have eyebrows plucked), and i think people are just getting fed up of it... Hence taking the risk to go to the beach. So is it stupid? I have no idea
 
Don't know... I'm very confused on this whole matter. Clearly the numbers have been inflated. So you've had busy beaches, demonstrations, and yet deaths are dropping. Where are the spikes from these mass gatherings?
Why face masks now, four months after the initial (known) outbreak? After them saying they're useless.

Here is my take on the two key drivers behind what is happening right now:

1) Incompetence vs Competence: Most leadership in most organization lacks even basic competence to do their jobs at an adequate skill level. The ONLY reason that productivity in the west keeps on going up is that the 20% of our most skilled and talented people have managed to outpace 80% of the rest of the unskilled and untalented people (Pareto Principle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle). The wikipedia page is really dry, Dr. Jordan Peterson explains it far more vividly here:
It is hard to tell if we are at an inflection point where the 80% are starting to gain parity and outpace the 20% or if the internet is simply allowing us to see all of the incompetence around us a lot more clearly.

2) Post Modernism / Marxism: 100% of all western nations are infected and almost totally controlled by Post Modernists and Marxists. All media, all government, all key cultural institutions. These people are not rooted in reality, science and methodological analysis, infact, Post Modernism is by definition the rejection of all of that. Here is a fun video released just today about this stupidity:


I linked this video because the most fun part is the screenshot of the tweet that says "1 factory with spare parts plus 1 factory with spare parts equals 5 machines ". Jesus F Christ.

THESE PEOPLE TEACH OUR CHILDREN. They run our courts. They run our countries. They run all of our media now. The EU, CA, AU and NZ are 100% controlled by these people. Only in USA is anyone actually able to push back, that is only because they are a very rebellious people by nature on the one hand and on the other they are the only country in the world with positive rights.
Think about that for a second.

Anyway, Marxism is simply an earlier version of Post Modernism applied specifically to economics. Marxist came first and was specific to economics, Post Modernism is the rebranding of Marxism and applied in a general way.

So, what you are seeing is a combination of incompetent people making incompetent decisions and because they are virtually all in a Post Modernist / Marxist cult, all of their decisions are in the direction of conquor, divide and control.

It's hard to sometimes distinguish the two, but, once you start to see it you cannot ignore it. It's everywhere, even in this thread.

This isn't conspiracy. Post Modernist and Marxists are not hiding anything. They have been publishing everything out in the open since the 1800s (and may have roots even deeper in history, depends who you ask) and especially since the 1950s. If you want to dig in, start with Saul Alinskys 12 Rules for Radicals, here is a tldr: https://bolenreport.com/saul-alinskys-12-rules-radicals/

This is all out in the open. Just read their books. Infact, their texts writings have not changed in over 100 years. Their only new inventions are in the last 50 years with the invention of feminism and then followed up with the more broadly applied invention of intersectional feminism.

Just for the record, this isn't the usual theory that 'a cabal of secret people controling the world' kind of thing. Most of this is self emergent behaviours of complex systems. There are interest groups that come in and out of these movements along the way, but as far as I can see, this is just self emergent in nature for the most part.

I don't want to go conspiracy theory, but a lot of stuff doesn't make any sense (blokes can have beards trimmed at a barbers, but women can't have eyebrows plucked), and i think people are just getting fed up of it... Hence taking the risk to go to the beach. So is it stupid? I have no idea

A conspiracy is just two people speaking in private. I used to think Alex Jones was nutty, 25 years later I now find out that he was just 10 to 20 years ahead of the curve. He was talking about the mark of the beast, people control, lock downs, pandemics in the 1990s. He was correct if not only directionaly, but in some cases to the letter as we are seeing in your examples and some of the links posted in the last few pages.

I now don't beleive that conspiracists exist. There are only humans that specualate honestly about what they beleive (Alex Jones), and then there are out and out liars that are out to make money (flat earthers, televengalists, etc). If you know what to look for, you can spot them a mile away.

Lastly, please note that I cannot watch Alex Jones. I like his energy and I like that he beleives his own bullshit, but I can only watch him through 2nd and 3rd party references. I finally figured out why that is, when he was young he suffered brain damage (it's in the first minute of the clip):
 
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The ONLY reason that productivity in the west keeps on going up is that the 20% of our most skilled and talented people have managed to outpace 80% of the rest of the unskilled and untalented people (Pareto Principle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle). The wikipedia page is really dry,
It is hard to tell if we are at an inflection point where the 80% are starting to gain parity and outpace the 20% or if the internet is simply allowing us to see all of the incompetence around us a lot more clearly.
I've always preferred the phrasing of the Peter Principle personally
I used to think Alex Jones was nutty, 25 years later I now find out that he was just 10 to 20 years ahead of the curve. He was talking about the mark of the beast, people control, lock downs, pandemics in the 1990s. He was correct if not only directionaly, but in some cases to the letter as we are seeing in your examples and some of the links posted in the last few pages.
Tell me when pizzagate finally becomes true. Because if it's less than 10 years away now I need to start building my rocket so I can get off this accursed planet.
 
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