First Gp2x's Have Arrived


Digital Awakening posted on Sep 20 2005 at 11:08 PM said:
Another great thing about DRM is that the less piracy we get the lower the prices of the games will get. It's also possible that smaler developers will be able to survive because they get to sell enough games.

In a perfect world maybe ;-)
 
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Squidge posted on Sep 21 2005 at 07:00 AM said:
DaveC, there is no need to constantly lock to a device - DRM allows you to lock to a certain SD instead (which is what Gizmondo games do). That way, if you device fails, or you break it, just take out SD card and place in new machine. The Zodiac supported this, but Tapwave never used it for downloads.


Does the GP2X support this? And will games use this or will it be like GP32 where it was locked to your CPU ID.

That is better if it is locked to your SD card, unless of course the SD gets lost or fried, or you upgrade to a larger size SD.
 
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DaveC posted on Sep 21 2005 at 03:14 PM said:
Squidge posted on Sep 21 2005 at 07:00 AM said:
DaveC, there is no need to constantly lock to a device - DRM allows you to lock to a certain SD instead (which is what Gizmondo games do). That way, if you device fails, or you break it, just take out SD card and place in new machine. The Zodiac supported this, but Tapwave never used it for downloads.


Does the GP2X support this? And will games use this or will it be like GP32 where it was locked to your CPU ID.

That is better if it is locked to your SD card, unless of course the SD gets lost or fried, or you upgrade to a larger size SD.
if youre sd card gets lost or fried, you will be in no worse a position than if you lost or damaged a dvd or cartridge.

Locking the drm to the card would be ideal all round IMO
 
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Locking to SD can mean two things:
-Selling game on SD card. Would be like a cartridge. Problem: Those things tend to get lost and you have to carry a hundred of them around.
-Selling game online with lock to a specific SD card ID. Never thought about this before... I don't think it's a good idea, though. SDs get lost easier than the big GP2X and if you want to switch to a bigger card you always have to carry around the old one for the other games.
I aggree that games should ideally be sold without DRM. However, the danger of piracy is difficult to calculate.
 
About selling games on cards. What's the smalest and cheapest SD card out there? Of course selling games on SD cards means you can get a lot cheaper then the average customer. I wonder how large games could get though, with serious developers even 8bit BMPs and mid quality sounds do stack up if you make a large game.

You won't be carying around that many of them. First you will only buy a few since there's a lot for free and then you won't bring your old games around since you don't play them anymore. I'm sure there are some kind of carying cases for myltiple SD cards.
 
If you sell a game for 30$ you could probably use cards up to 64 MB.
I like to have all my games on one card, though. Swapping cards sucks.
 
Yeah, DRM to a specific card seems like the best idea - I hope it's supported. For those complaining "what if I switch to a bigger card?", well, it's exactly the same as any PSP/DS game - if you want to play the game, you bring the extra card with you. It's not like SD-Cards are actually big - it would be REALLY easy to carry an extra one with you.
 
What exactly does SD stand for anyway? I've been trying to search for SD cards to see exactly what they look like(and to price them, of course), but I keep coming across different types of cards made by SanDisk. If one of the cards I found is an SD card, and I'm not mistaken, then the DS uses SD cards... but I have no way of confirming it.
 
actualy it looks like we dont thave true sd support in linux but only mmc mode, that means no sdio (and only 25mbps max speed instand of 100mbps, smc haves about 6.5 mbps), however usb host seems to be very possible, i think is actualy the better choice than sdio couse of the better driver support for usb devices.
 
Vimacs posted on Sep 22 2005 at 09:20 AM said:
actualy it looks like we dont thave true sd support in linux but only mmc mode, that means no sdio (and only 25mbps max speed instand of 100mbps, smc haves about 6.5 mbps), however usb host seems to be very possible, i think is actualy the better choice than sdio couse of the better driver support for usb devices.


But "SD" is printed on the Gp2X next to the slot. It must support SD or it would just say "MMC".
 
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so then there's no point in buying those extra fast sd cards if they'll only be running at mmc speeds? speed difference isn't that bad or very noticeable, right? i mean, will we be missing much at these mmc speeds?
 
Even at MMC speeds, it's not exactly slow, and the added benefit of the ultra fast card is not going to make much difference really, unless you start loading up 64mb roms.
 
That is pure speculation at this point, as far as I know. The reason for this mmc compatibility mode is that true SD support costs licence fees, which makes it pretty unlikely that GPH will use this out of the box.

That doesn't prevent some 'dirty hackers' to enable the SD support later on though, since the hardware supports it. It just might not be very easy to do.
 
Squidge posted on Sep 22 2005 at 07:34 PM said:
Even at MMC speeds, it's not exactly slow, and the added benefit of the ultra fast card is not going to make much difference really, unless you start loading up 64mb roms.

So does this limit the size of the SD card that you can use? Will the 4 Gig cards work?
 
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Julius posted on Sep 22 2005 at 07:41 PM said:
That is pure speculation at this point, as far as I know. The reason for this mmc compatibility mode is that true SD support costs licence fees, which makes it pretty unlikely that GPH will use this out of the box.

That doesn't prevent some 'dirty hackers' to enable the SD support later on though, since the hardware supports it. It just might not be very easy to do.

However I'd be very suprised if they were allowed to use the SD logo without licenced SD support
 
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