Why not?
Tell me how a 5 to 7 layers boards can be DIY ? I've seen 2 layers being technically DIY (and that's allready pushing), but 5 come on.It could *TECHNICALLY* be DIY.
As ED won't design the whole P2 all by himself, it depends on how contractors see this. I could think of ED getting back to DaveC regarding (part of) the controls (e. g. DPAD), as there are only a few that complained about them so far. But as far as I know, DaveC holds the copyright of his design and OP is only a licensee. I don't think DaveC as any interest in changing that fact.As you may know, there are VERY FEW copyleft devices in the world. I was thinking that if we were to have the OP2 be copyleft, it might attract some more attention, being an open-source device that anyone with a large amount of resources could build. It could *TECHNICALLY* be DIY.
Ok... that's a little harsh. Open Hardware is a thing.So - what you're saying is that you devalue Michael Weston and Dave C's labor. Their work and output is worth so little that the results should be given away to people who had no investment in the project? Should ED and his investors simply give away everything remotely proprietary about the device and it's designs and the hard development costs it takes to get there?
If that were the case, there would probably be no Pandora successor - and likely no world economy. The real world doesn't work that way.
It's not like There'd be no potential for donations. Ubuntu isn't copyleft, but it is free. There's plenty of free software, including copyleft software. But that's off-topic.So - what you're saying is that you devalue Michael Weston and Dave C's labor. Their work and output is worth so little that the results should be given away to people who had no investment in the project? Should ED and his investors simply give away everything remotely proprietary about the device and it's designs and the hard development costs it takes to get there?
If that were the case, there would probably be no Pandora successor - and likely no world economy. The real world doesn't work that way.
Possibly more like 8+ layers, and with a bunch of BGAs, one of them possibly with PoP.. maybe DIY if that means spending a ton of money to have it fabbed and assembled by someone else.Tell me how a 5 to 7 layers boards can be DIY ? I've seen 2 layers being technically DIY (and that's allready pushing), but 5 come on.
At this point what are the use for being copyleft (beside offering your well paid design to competitor) ?
so yeah, loll
I remember somebody (not sure Craigx, MW or ED) already promising to reveal current designs at some point they decide it's safe for their business.I'm more interested in board CAD files making it easier to design your own casing.
What do you think about let's say a promise to release the CAD files etc. under FOSS licence when the device isn't sold anymore? That way it couldn't hurt sales. Or we could buy those files through donations. Like "we give you x$ and you'll realease it under FOSS".
That would be very fiddlyHow about buying one, taking it apart, purchasing a dial caliper and making your own measurements?
You haven't really shown an argument against the above.The question is about the same as walking into a store, picking something out, walking to the register and asking if you can please have the original designer's pattern it was based on for free please - then walking out without buying anything.
So what's the point in releasing anything in the first place?
- lt using the original designs is slim, due to the obscurity and complexity of the device and the incompleteness of information given.
- Few people would have a use for incomplete plans for a device they don't own.
You don't need detailed specs to hack your hardware. Support policies that allow for you to hack certain parts and still receive support are normally more useful to hardware hackers.
- Releasing detailed specs opens the way for a host of supporting products and fan-made improvements, which can increase device sales.
Because that worked so well for OpenMoko...
- Declaring hardware "open source" could be a great publicity move in the niche occupied by the pandora.