Kids today


Viking

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Ever thought about almost every kid with a cellphone has touch technology? I was just thinking how they'll react if they ever see a N64 control, and they look at their iPhone and thinking "How the heck did they manage to play Ocarina of time on that piece of sap?".


I always hated playing games on my phone because it feels it's just for time killing, and also the controls is so... argh!


But kids now a days seem to be more and more.. uhm.. "fitted" and they play games on their phones like it's normal for them.


What do you think?


PS: WORD PLAY FTW!
 
I do hate playing touh games on the phone. Only turn based strategy like advance wars gives a good experience and it isn't really a quick game. That's why I cant wait for my iCP.


Big thing I get annoyed with kids is they all HAVE cell phone. All through HS our family had one emergency cell phone we took turns taking if we were goin somewhere. Minutes were so expensive you better not call unless your leg fell off. Now I see kids playing on their ds's as they pull out their iphone to answer a call from their 8th grade bff. WTf
 
I do hate playing touh games on the phone. Only turn based strategy like advance wars gives a good experience and it isn't really a quick game. That's why I cant wait for my iCP.


Big thing I get annoyed with kids is they all HAVE cell phone. All through HS our family had one emergency cell phone we took turns taking if we were goin somewhere. Minutes were so expensive you better not call unless your leg fell off. Now I see kids playing on their ds's as they pull out their iphone to answer a call from their 8th grade bff. WTf
8th grade? Here the kids have their phones since second grade!
 
I really don't think kids should have cell phones, to me it gives them an excuse to go places without asking first, they're always there and call to let you know they are there. Also, with games it is just too big of a distraction in school and some school districts don't allow them to have cell phones anyway.


Also, if a kid has to have a cell phone for whatever reason just get them the cheap freebie phone, if they want something better they can work for the money to buy it. The games and features of the freebies still suck so not much of a distraction there. Well, their is still texting.
 
I wonder if they will naturaly addapt them selfes for playing without nubs or buttons, just a flat screen..
 
Get your kids one of these:


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And a handheld game system with buttons.


Seriously though, touch screens will become more popular but will only be a small bridge to controling games with brain power eliminating any kind of movement for the player at all and that will be a small bridge until we 'jack' into the game like in the Matrix.


If you grew up with d-pads and buttons you're old, there are much much more scary things up ahead grampa so try not to worry about touch screens, they won't even last as long as your Moon Pies did.
 
I say build copper mesh into the schools behind the dry wall, floor and ceilings. Lock the little rugrats up in a faraday cage so they can't sext each other. And dear god public schools, please PW protect your wifi, a knowa few in the area that don't. Won't help with the games on the cell phones, but helps a little.


Need some kind of EMP (almost wrote EMP pulse but then i thought about how much ATM machine pisses me off) the kids have to walk through that kills the battery of their phone at the beginning of the day. Or even fry the circuits. If the rule is no cell phones in school and you bring one in anyway, can't really complain about getting it fried now can you?


Edit: just thought that you could set up and broadcast a local network from a phone inside the cage and text each other, but not everyone are nerds like us here on this forum.
 
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Ugh.


Okay, i am pretty sure there is some exaggeration going on here, but for the most part I am seeing the same thing: fear of change.


Little Aztec kids didn't have cell phones or game consoles or "sexting"! They went to school and got an education!


And then they went to watch the human sacrifice and if they misbehaved, dammit, they were brought home at once and held upside down over a chili pepper fire and forced to inhale the smoke. That taught them to be good, law abiding citizens.


Christ, guys. As a society, if we are to move forward, we have to get rid of the "back in my day" and "pay your dues" attitude. It's irrational-- highly satisfying in a sadistic sort of way-- but selfish, irrational, and detrimental to your child's experience. Stranding your children in the stone age whilst everyone else is running around with the latest gadgets their parents can afford is cruel and unusual. There is no reason why, in this day and age, someone old enough to talk and understand basic electronic devices should not be provided with a mobile phone. There are several benefits to this:

  • they increase safety-- if they need you, they can call you; parents are always available. This is the "big one" for me.
  • they promote social interaction. the child will "talk" with more friends, more often.
  • they are an electronic device which the whole world uses and which they should become acquainted with at an early age.
  • random night-time "phone checks" will let you know what your child is talking about.
  • you can even get a phone which will track your child via GPS, all the time, and tell you their whereabouts on command.
  • in a very serious situation, texting or calling privileges can be suspended to certain numbers. This could be used in a manner not unlike "grounding."
To me, these benefits would massively outweigh any "cons" even if there were any. Especially the first one, and, well, all of them. For these reasons, every child of mine will have a cell phone on their first day of kindergarten, and I will insist that it be allowed lest the school in question face my wrath.
 
I think you misse the point as well. Thanks for playing.


Your kid in kindergarten doesn't need a cell phone in school, I think they might still have landlines. Any where else and you should not put a kid that young in a situation where they need one. If so you failed as a parent.
 
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@Viking and on topic: I don't think so. Kids have phones younger n younger, but right now ds is still king of mobile gaming for kids. If a kid is into gaming then they will want one. Even with a touchscreen itself, I don't think we are at the point where a kid would look at a controller and go WTF?


@lulz: I said sexting just because. More about texting in general and using the phone in school when 99.9% of the time there is no need. Out of how long a cell might be used by a kid in school is it really being used for an emergency call to the parents. Mostly would be games, texting, Internet, or cheating. Show me a kid that obeys his parents and teachers an leaves the phone off all day except for emergencies and I'll show you a naive parent.


And don't have to use copper, lots of other, cheaper materials work too. Plus it wad kind of a joke, which is also why I used sexting in the example. *woosh*
 
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Show me a kid that obeys his parents and teachers an leaves the phone off all day except for emergencies
That would be me during high school. I think you are stereotyping a bit too much. Not all children are idiotic, oversexed hoodlums, as you seem to be implying.
 
Show me a kid that obeys his parents and teachers an leaves the phone off all day except for emergencies
That would be me during high school. I think you are stereotyping a bit too much. Not all children are idiotic, oversexed hoodlums, as you seem to be implying.

Didn't say they were, just that they are not perfect angels. Kids use cells in school when they shouldn't. Just the way it is. The point i was trying to make is a lot of parents think their kids wouldnt break school policy and use the cell phone when thy werent supposed to, and a lot o parents would be wrong. I am a freaking eagle scout and used my calculator to play tetris when I wasn't supposed to. You don't have to be an over sexes hoodlum to use the cellphone against school policy. I don't know why you think everyone talks in extremes.
 
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I think you misse the point as well. Thanks for playing.


Your kid in kindergarten doesn't need a cell phone in school, I think they might still have landlines. Any where else and you should not put a kid that young in a situation where they need one. If so you failed as a parent.

"Thanks for playing?" I sense sarcasm. I most certainly have not "missed the point."


Why depend on landlines? They are archaic. Hell, they probably won't even be around in twenty years, unfortunately. Besides, I would rather my child not be stopped from calling (or texting) me by overzealous teachers and crackpot administration. If my child wants to talk to me, he/she will be able to do so without needing to associate with authorities, who will (from my experience in school) most likely tell him/her to sit down, shut up, and be a good little conformist like everyone else. No thank you.


You also failed to address how much more social interaction is possible, the tracking and "spying" possibilities, the early acquaintance with technology, and the addition of an extremely effective punishment vector.


I love how you think that providing a "backup" plan means I am intending to put my children in an unfavourable situation. That would be completely stupid. However, quite "disturbingly", children are not always under parental mind control. Children wander off, they play mental chess with parents and sometimes pull off a freakishly decent move. Through the ages parents have insisted the solution for this is to put their children in a cage.


With my approach, a parent can give their children unlimited freedom and address any concerns later, minimising restriction and maximising surveillance.
 
I think my point is children shouldn't have unlimited freedom. And you ignored all the negatives of cells more so than I ignored the positives. When you said the benefits outweigh the cons, if there were any made me laugh. If you don't see any cons, wow, just wow. There are many better ways, at school, to learn socializing than facebook and texting. And independence is as important as anything else and having your kidergardener texting you just because doesn't help that. The cons of phones in elementary school far outweighs the pros, even though there are some. Same in middle. High school may be a bit different, but not by much.


And even if you are right and landlines dissapear my point remains. The school will have a PHONE and can call you if your precious angel is crying cause they havnt talked to mommy or daddy in 2 hours.


Edit: and if it is against school policy, which it is in most schools because of the cons which you don't believe exist, to bring a cell in and you send one in anyway you are setting a bad example for your child and possibly putting them in a bad situation with the school. You can chat with them all you want at home when you have to take off work because they are suspended. Should take it up with the PTA and schoolboard instead of showing the kid it's ok to break the rules.


@Viking I apologize for being part of the reason your topic got hijacked from gaming inputs to a debate about 6 year olds with cells in school.
 
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I think my point is children shouldn't have unlimited freedom.
Why the hell not?

And you ignored all the negatives of cells more so than I ignored the positives. When you said the benefits outweigh the cons, if there were any made me laugh. If you don't see any cons, wow, just wow. There are many better ways, at school, to learn socializing than facebook and texting. And independence is as important as anything else and having your kidergardener texting you just because doesn't help that. The cons of phones in elementary school far outweighs the pros, even though there are some. Same in middle. High school may be a bit different, but not by much.
Kindly point out these "cons" to me. If they are anything other than the irrational argument "....they just... don't.... NEED them!!!" I will be taken by surprise.


"Better" ways to socialise are better ways according to you, the way you learned to socialise. The thing is, things change over time.


I also like how you suggest that having a good relationship with parents will cause a lack of independence. If they want to text me, they do it. If they don't, they don't! What's so dependent about that, hm?

If your precious angel is crying cause they havnt talked to mommy or daddy in 2 hours.

Come now, are you listening to what you are saying? I'm trying to have a legitimate discussion with you. My children will be raised knowing that I am available if they need me. This doesn't mean I will expect them to call on the hour to let me know how school is going.


However, if they are being bullied, or sexually harassed by a teacher or administrator, or have been abandoned by the undoubtedly dim-witted welfare-parent chaperones on a field trip, they'll be able to call me. Does this seem illogical to you? If so, we can have no further logical discussion. However, in the case that something goes wrong at school in some way, shape, or form, I want my child to come to me, not the school. Does this make sense to you?

Edit: and if it is against school policy, which it is in most schools because of the cons which you don't believe exist fear of change and "back-in-my-day logic", to bring a cell in and you send one in anyway you are setting a bad different example for your child and possibly putting them in a bad different situation with the school taxpayer-sponsored conditioning centre.
Fixed that for you. No, that was a bit of a joke. Seriously, though:

You can chat with them all you want at home when you have to take off work because they are suspended. Should take it up with the PTA and schoolboard instead of showing the kid it's ok to break the rules.
I agree that action can be taken with school boards and PTA's. However, I also know that that is not the quickest way to cause change. As a parent, I will have the right to send my child to school with whatever safety measures I want. Thus, the school can't touch them-- and if they do, they'll see me and the ACLU in court. Believe me-- I will be my child's school district's/s' worst nightmare.


And I will love every second of it.
 
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Dude, mess up your kid anyway you want. It isn't a back in my day kind if thing, thank you for letting me know how I feel. Break all the policys you want. You are the modern rosa parks. Arguing with me will get less done than talking to the school board, which is the proper way to deal with it. And I see you failed to get the hint when I apologize to Viking for going off topic. Start a thread about how you are the technological messiah and cells should be allowed in schools because you know best. Obviously all the kids that have already been suspended because of cells have wound up in court and things changed right? FIGHT THE SYSTEM!


Edit: I am do not feel like repeating what I said because I did list the negatives. Despite what you believe, it is still against policy and for good reason. Here is someone elses summary for why. And no, not every kid will do these things, but a lot will because kids are kids and by definition are immature. Everyone thinks their kid is special, well they can't all be special and we have to give the best educational experience for all, not just your kid. Here are another persons thoughts. Rant all you want, I am done.


Cell phones shouldnt’t be allowed in schools because It can distract the school work and the other students who’s trying to study and people can be cheating because when their doing test  they have their cell phones with them and they can  just text his/her friend and ask for the answers.


*When you talk about cheating, be sure to mention that they can use a camera phone to take pictures of the test or study notes from home and use that to sell the test to another person or cheat. They also text message each other to get answers


Here's a good one--there have been cases where kids took nasty pictures of other kids undressing in the locker room and then posted them on MySpace or YouTube or something.


Can you imagine 20 or more cell phones ringing in class? Can you imagine 20 students talking on the phone while a teacher is trying to teach a class? It would be a constant disruption to students and teachers.


Your cell phone could get stolen in the locker room or the changing room. If someone finds your cell phone their not going to return it to you, their probably going to use it and break it outside.


1. Cheat on test


2. Receive calls


3. Receive text


4. Annoying receive


5. Play games


6. Go on the web


7. Can distract other student


8. Distract the school works


9. Pay more attention to the phone


10. Can get lost or stolen and the school is blamed


Many schools do not allow students to use cell phones in school because it disrupts the learning process. Most students use cell phones irresponsibly. They use cell phones to talk to their friend during class time. They also use their cell phone to text message or pass on answers to tests, homework, and other class information.  Students also use the calculator and camera features in the class as well, which is another disruption to learning.


So some people said Cell phones should be allowed in school because of an emergency but you don’t need to have your phone in the classrooms because your parents and teacher knows where you are. You’re safe if you’re in the school.
 
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^ I'm sorry; I don't pass up a good discussion for reasons of staying "on-topic." That is what moderators are for; should they see it fit (and I think it is here), threads can be spliced and new discussions created. In fact, I think it would be great if mere mortals could splice topics themselves-- especially the topic creator. This would keep everyone happy.


I'm sorry you seem to take my opinions so personally-- however I stand by my points, and I feel that it is unfortunate that you choose to mock me. This kind of immaturity tells me this discussion was over before it started.


Just one thing-- don't talk about me "messing up my kid". That's some shit, really; you have some nerve; there is more than one way to raise a child, good sir. What an insult.


"On topic"--


I feel that touch screen controls have their place; however, the feeling of "being the controller" is more than slightly compromised. This being said, I don't think touch-screen controls will ever replace tactile-response controls. I could be wrong, however.


I am mostly waiting for believable BCI's (brain-computer interfaces)-- not only so I can be immersed in a truly believable virtual world, but so that I can play SNES -inside- the virtual world :D


EDIT: this was composed before the edit. I'll edit it as necessary when I've finished reading.


EDIT 2: Obviously cell phone use should be restricted when appropriate. They would need to step out to use them, and obviously should be supervised-- but that doesn't mean they shouldn't have them. Your problems can be solved by teachers being a bit watchful whilst proctoring a test, and children being chaperoned in locker rooms like they should be (it's where most bullying takes place). I could get into the fact that separate changing and shower stalls are dirt cheap and should be considered a necessity, but that is getting into something else entirely.


Have you ever heard of the vibrate function on a phone? That takes care of your "20 phones ringing" problem.


Also, your solutions require me to place trust in a school district. I answer with-- why should I? Ninety percent of my teachers were completely undeserving of such trust. I will never trust a teacher with my child. They are (figuratively) the antichrist.
 
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