Will Taiwan Spark A World War

[finty]

the bbc has been running propaganda reports on north korea for the last two weeks, the british are just as bad as the americans.

 

[Esn]

i have read many books on the systems good and bad points

It's not quite the same thing as actually living there. You're relying on somebody else's view, so you're looking at it through a lens, seeing only what they want you to see. It's much different than when you experience it for yourself; you will almost always find that your opinions differ than those of the authors', and that it's not quite like it was described.
Of course, it's much better than plain ignorance of everything, but it's still a secondary source.

who told you cubas buildings were falling down? the british/ american media?

He's obviously exaggerating... I've been in Cuba, and yes, not all of them are in top repair. Most aren't "falling down" though. That's not a direct result of Communism; it happens when countries are poor. The roads in Tajikistan, for example (I was there a couple years ago), are in a far worse condition now than they were under the USSR, even though communism has been dissolved. Conversely, now that Russia is becoming an economic powerhouse again, many of the roads around the immediate area of some of the main cities are being renovated and fixed up to a better condition than they were under communism.
Cuba is poor mainly because of the trade embargo, even though it trades with Canada.

who told you about freedom of speech in cuba?

Wasn't it announced by their government that they were arresting those 40 people?

Who also tells of the massive problems in north Korea? the british/ american media.

Not quite just them... (click the link)
Who tells you that there are no problems in North Korea?
I'll let you mull over that one.
Sorry.. I know you probably won't listen to me anyway, but you have to look at both sides of the argument, and accept that atrocities can happen in any system if there is the will for them up at the top. Do you realize that Stalinism is not really communism? The original way it was supposed to work was democratically; that's why the USSR still had elections even after the Stalinist supression of the 30s (albeit with only 1 candidate in them); it was written in the original constitution that there have to be elections.

if communism was left alone to work it would do that but the right wing always has to interfere.

Why do you blame the right wing? Blame the people who become corrupted by power, not the right wing. Before you have a chance to say it, yes, some of the right wing's supporters are indeed very rich and have become corrupted by power. But those same types of people stay in charge of "leftist" systems, especially if those systems were formed because of a revolution, because then it is usually the person who wants POWER the most and is willing to go to any lengths to get it who gets to climb to the top of the struggle for leadership following a revolution (aka Stalin).
The only way that communism can work is if everybody works together to make it work. That requires quite a bit of honesty. If that honesty isn't already imbedded in the culture, and especially in the people at the top, then it won't work, plain and simple, and there's no use wishing that it did. The closest example I've seen to an honest culture is Scandinavia. I haven't lived there, though; only visited.

/rant over

 

[khephren]

the bbc has been running propaganda reports on north korea for the last two weeks, the british are just as bad as the americans.

The BBC are not allowed to run propaganda reports. American TV media are allowed freedom of speech (which is actually a bad thing, as they are allowed to report using their own political bias, and twist the news to suit their own ideals). The britsh tV media are not allowed to stress any bias, they have to report the news as they find it- which is why the BBC world service is one of the most popular ways of getting news in the world.

As for communism and socialism, it's a great idea until you involve people, most of whom are greedy, and those who want to get into government generally crave power (and are therefore more capitalist in nature). Personally I do do not agree with any one who follow a set political idea, governments should take idea's from any politcal movement which would help the people of the country at that time.

 

[finty]

i never said stalin was a good leader, stalin ruined the ussr and lenin never wanted him to come into power.
The BBC are one of the most biast (sp) news broadcasters in the world, the government has them under control and they run reports on what they think will please the capitalists, You never hear nothing about cuba on the news because communism is working there and that would threaten the capitalist way. people are boxed in. Also there have been worse atrociteys happened under capitalist rule than under communist rule (hitler), if the right people lead communism it would succeed but when you have people only out for themselves it doesnt work but thats the same with capitalism (india). i think i am drawn to communism because i come from a working class back ground but not every one will agree with change. one example of communism going corrupt is when the INLA where fighting in ireland for a communist free state and there political wing the IRSP started getting into crime and robbery when the money was going to the army council instead of the cause.

 

[thebluenewt]

i never said stalin was a good leader, stalin ruined the ussr and lenin never wanted him to come into power.
The BBC are one of the most biast (sp) news broadcasters in the world, the government has them under control and they run reports on what they think will please the capitalists, You never hear nothing about cuba on the news because communism is working there and that would threaten the capitalist way. people are boxed in. Also there have been worse atrociteys happened under capitalist rule than under communist rule (hitler), if the right people lead communism it would succeed but when you have people only out for themselves it doesnt work but thats the same with capitalism (india). i think i am drawn to communism because i come from a working class back ground but not every one will agree with change. one example of communism going corrupt is when the INLA where fighting in ireland for a communist free state and there political wing the IRSP started getting into crime and robbery when the money was going to the army council instead of the cause.

Just... no.

 

[lizard808uk]

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