1+KodeIn said:(And I hate all those "cloud gaming" thingies; I want to OWN the games and the systems on which they're running. If they where selling server softwares that you could install on your own machine, I would reconsider my point of view.)
You're not the only one.craigix said:
I suppose that since I started using flashbock I have seen a lot less crashes and a ton less ads. That doesn't mean that flash is stable or secure, that is just a medical adhesive strip for the problem that is flash. I also remember that Macromedia had Linux and Apple(pre-OSX) installers which is the main reason flash does now, nothing to do with Adobe.Prometheus said:You're not the only one.craigix said:
I think that a lot of the "Flash bashers" forget how things were just five or six short years ago, when there were frequent problems with videos/music/etcetera on the web because these things were often in Windows-only formats that required Windows-only players, and so on - not very convenient for those of us who didn't use Windows, until YouTube and the like came along, and got a lot of traction very quickly. I don't deny that Flash had/has its problems (everything does, after all), but I like to make sure that I acknowledge that it's helped to make the modern web far less exclusionary than it was a relatively short time ago.
I take offense to that, I've been bashing Flash for years for sucking. You must be having better luck, because my browser is far less stable when I've got flash installed than when I don't. Presumably Firefox 3.6.4 will largely solve that.Blue Ion said:Jesus, an other flash mindless bashing thread, apparently since apple said its hip to bash it, then everyone is doing it. Keep in mind I don't deny that flash has its problems, be it being slower and perhaps buggier, but aside from the fact flash has crashed my browser far less times than what it crashed on its own without flash, it isn't the piece of shit apple and all the apologists says it is.
I too hate how flash is made, how it freezes the input of the browser when it is too loaded and as you well said its lack of availability on minor platforms, but it annoys me to no end how people think html5 is the savior of the internet when in reality, no one can know that, it just happens apple said it, and suddenly a hope or prediction becomes a fact.hedwards said:I take offense to that, I've been bashing Flash for years for sucking. You must be having better luck, because my browser is far less stable when I've got flash installed than when I don't. Presumably Firefox 3.6.4 will largely solve that.
Congratulations, that is my whole point about flash. When a windows, linux, mac application slows or crashes, you don't blame windows, linux or mac or even c++, you blame the people that make the apps. You might had some kind of excuse back with windows 95 or dos, but now? Operating systems are extremely matured, and they are barely responsible for any crash nowadays. In fact, I'm amazed how they could keep the os running with the vast array of drivers and software mostly bad written as people was to new to the new os at the time of windows 95.hedwards said:Probably the biggest sin of Flash is being unavailable to people without it. As in so called developers that make there sites completely useless without it because they didn't feel like coding an alternative for people without Flash.
Are you using a 64-bit OS? The standard way of using Flash with the amd64 build of Firefox was and is to use nspluginwrapper, and this used to be very unstable. I haven't had issues with it in a while, but it used to crash almost constantly, taking the browser with it.Prometheus said:I have to admit that I wonder about that, too, Eniko. I've heard it said that it's more stable on Windows (not that I can check that for myself, though), but I've never had it cause problems on Mac OS X or Linux, myself. It acted up a bit with YouTube (specifically, when closing tabs) during my first six to eight months of Linux usage, but that was quite a while ago now, and it wasn't massively common to begin with. (That said, I've always had Adblock and Flashblock enabled, so I've never encountered those advertisements that seem to cause so many issues...)
I only snipped this part because I actually agree with everything else you've said in that post. I've been bashing Flash since long before Apple decided "we won't support anything that doesn't run our native code and blah-blah," as have many, many others. The main reason I don't like it is because support for it is absolutely atrocious. And I'm not talking about support as in bug fixes and getting it to run, etc. I'm talking about getting the damned thing to work well.Blue Ion said:Jesus, an other flash mindless bashing thread, apparently since apple said its hip to bash it, then everyone is doing it.
It's possible you might have and not even noticed. Of the HTML5 examples I've seen, I've either thought they were Flash-based or didn't notice the difference between the regular page and not.Prometheus said:I had no problems even before using Flashblock, myself. It was all exactly the same.
I haven't even encountered HTML5, so I simply can't comment on it.