Psp 2 2010?


Peri28

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Exclusive: Sony PSP2 arriving in 2010, features PowerVR SGX543 graphics
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It looks like the stage is set for a big handheld console showdown in 2010. Endangered by rising sales of games for iPhone and OTA downloads instead of conventional cartridge/memory card games, both Nintendo and Sony have to prove that their hardware isn't going on the path of Amiga [proprietary gaming "PC" using Motorola's CPU architecture from 1980s and 1990s], but rather can live in today's connected world.

After we disclosed the relationship between Nintendo and nVidia on the next-generation hardware, we learned that handheld-refresh cycle is in full speed over at Sony as well. If we take a look at PlayStation Portable hardware [both conventional and the PSP Go] since launch, we can see that one problems that Sony has is the use of different hardware over the course of lifetime. Sony released four PSP handhelds mostly relying on 32-bit MIPS R4000 CPU core with 8MB eDRAM as the "Media Engine" clocked at 222 MHz [later unlocked to 333 MHz, PSP Go can overclock to 480 MHz], while the graphics subsystem relies on a proprietary chip featuring 2MB of eDRAM, clocked at 166 MHz.

Naturally, this hardware doesn't exactly have the compute power to tackle the last generation of cellphones, and with the 2010 phones offering HD output capabilities, the time was up for current generation of hardware. Sony begun work on PSP2 back in 2008 and unofficially announced the selection of graphics hardware: on November 24th, 2008 Imagination Technologies ran a press release stating that "Imagination Technologies Group plc has signed a license agreement with a new partner, a major international consumer electronics company, for a high-performance forthcoming member of Imagination's POWERVR SGX graphics processor family."
The client, "major international Consumer Electronics Company" was no other than Sony Corporation and the chip at hand are known as PowerVR SGX543. On CES 2009, Imagination Technologies introduced the PowerVR Series SGX architecture and on March 16th, 2009 Imagination Technologies ran a press release introducing the details of this part. Even though the introduction was low-key and wasn't picked up by tech media, seven months later we finally saw what the architecture can to.

The power of this chip is quite impressive, easily beating integrated graphics parts on PC platform. For instance, it flat-out beats the living daylights out of PowerVR core integrated in Intel's Atom platform. According to the sources close to heart of the company, the SGX543 for PlayStation Portable 2 can reach theoretical performance of desktop graphics cards released during this year, an impressive feat indeed. Imagination Technologies recently passed the 200 million shipped SoC chips milestone, but with PSP2 deal, that number is sure to grow by at least 30-40 million units more.

Now, the interesting part about the PowerVR is that it is a true MIMD [Multiple Instruction-Multiple Data http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIMD ] architecture. In their press releases, ImgTech is bragging about the capabilities of the "GP-GPU", but even if we take a look at the specifications with the cold head, a lot of surprises are in store. The multi-core design is available in dual, quad, octal and sedec-core variants [SGX543MP2, SGX543MP4, SGX543MP8, SGX543MP16], and they're by no means slouches.

For instance, a quad-core version SGX543MP4 at only 200 MHz frequency delivers 133 million polygons per second and offers fill-rate of four billion pixels per second [4GPixel/s], in the range of GeForce 8600 cards. For that matter, 4GPixel/s runs 40nm GeForce GT210 [2.5 GPixel/s] into the ground. Given that GeForce GT210 runs at 589 MHz for the core and 1.4 GHz for shaders. Since PowerVR SGX543 targets handheld devices, there is no saying what the performance plateau is.
An eight core SGX543MP8 at 200 MHz delivers 266 million polygons and eight billion pixels per second, while faster clocked version, for instance, at 400 MHz would deliver 532 million polygons and 16 billion pixels per second. 16 billion pixels per second equal GeForce GTX 260-216, for instance.

After analyzing the performance at hand, it is no wonder that Sony chose to go with PowerVR for the next-generation PlayStation Portable. While the exact details of the SoC are still in question, our take is that Sony could go with quad-core setup at 400MHz [8GPixel/s], paired with a dual-core CPU based on ARM Cortex architecture. This would put Sony direct in line against Tegra-powered Nintendo DS2, PowerVR-based Apple's iPhone 4G and Palm Pre2.

With all the major players selecting ARM cores for their current or next-generation products, it looks like the second decade of 21st century will be marked with the battle royal between ARM and x86 architecture in the handheld space [with the advantage firmly in ARM's hands]. Given the installed user base of 15 billion ARM-powered devices and a plan to ship 15 billion more in the next five years, it looks like Intel x86 and AVX will have to wait until 2015 to get the chance to compete against ARM, PowerVR, Mali and GeForce IP, as far as handheld space goes.

When it comes to Sony PlayStation Portable Gen2, selecting PowerVR was the right way to go and since the company unofficially stated [but officially acted] that they don't give a darn about backwards compatibility [take a look at PlayStation 1-2-3 and PSP-PSP Go], programmers will just have to get used to utilizing the ARM core and PowerVR SGX graphics to the max.

We also learned of the PSP2 planned release date, but in order to protect our sources, we'll keep that information for another story. Let's just say it is within the next 12 months.

The Battle Royal for handheld gaming 2010
Apple iPhone 3G s / 4G = ARM Cortex + PowerVR SGX
HTC = ARM Cortex + PowerVR
Microsoft Zune HD = ARM11 + GeForce 6
Nintendo DS2 = ARM Cortex + GeForce 9
Nokia platform = ARM11 only
Palm Pre 2 = ARM Cortex + PowerVR SGX
RIM BlackBerry = ARM9 only
Samsung = ARM Cortex + PowerVR SGX
Sony PSP2 = ARM ? + PowerVR SGX

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PSP 2 = Fail

I can't wait till Pandora is in my hands, because then I won't have to put up with closed source bullshit. B)

EDIT:
HOLY SHIT!!! I just realised that the source is dated all the way back on the 10/16/2009.

Old news!!! :angry:
 

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Was it ever confirmed that the chip is really used in a PSP2 ?
Sony is a huge company and they have other products were this could fit in even if it's unlikely.


Besides this, its old new and most information is not backed up (especially talking about performance comparisons and other consoles)
 

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The Pandora 2 will be even more powerful. Just keeping up the "there's something better coming soon" trend :)

Interestingly the Pandora uses chips by the same manufacturers as most next gen handhelds :)
 

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SONY said:
PSP 2 = Fail
Maybe closed source, but for gamers it is the ultimate win. Pandora will never get games like PSP 2 will have, because it is not enough users in the pandora community.
PSP sold worldwide: 55.9 million
(as of August 3, 2009)
Games like gta and daxter have sold over millions of copys.
Pandora will never get that market, if not something radical is happening soon.
Think it will take alot of time for the community to produce a single game in class like the best psp games are today.

But who cares if a game is fun to play if you don't have the legal right to fuck up the source code? <_<

Ofcourse It won't have a lot of stuff that the pandora has, but for pure gaming it has alot. And don't think PSP is for the same market as pandora.

Don't hack me or something now for talking good about another product :)

 
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Thanks for the comments, people. :)

@ CasperN

Speaking of comments, I just commented on your blog. B)

http://www.gp32x.de/board/index.php?/blog/48/entry-72-mockup-for-a-racinggame/&#comment72
 
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alot of good games on the psp but i never play on the console anymore due some reasons:

-Low resolution.
-No touchscreen.
-Low CPU/Ram allows less cool homebrew emulators/apps/games.

And if the next PSP has these, i will also need to hack the device and put some custom firmware on it.
Else i dont want it, it has become a standard rule for myself.
I didnt want the iphone if it was not jailbreakable.
same with my ds, and psp.

Improve these and i will buy one again.
 

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How is it with dev kits for PSP. is it some restrictions? how do you make a AAA title to it, do you need some kind of license? is it all about money to be able to optimize it?
For exemple the ps3s devkit kost something $10,250
Is it something similar for PSP?

Quote: -Low CPU/Ram allows less cool homebrew emulators/apps/games.
Can a homebrew game squeeze out the same performance as the big titles? Or is it some code here that homebrews need and can't get acess to?
Or do you simply mean that it is outdated?

Anyways, stupid that they don't go open like the pandora, What PSP has that pandora/gp2x is missing is a bigger userbase to attract the bigger game studios.
Maybe hardware piracy is a big threat if a handheld like the PSP would be open. I think a market strategy like epics UDK would be more profit for Sony.

Stupid questions, I don't have a clue how it works on the PSP...
 

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The important thing about the PSP 2 and next Nintendo thing aren't really the specs. It's the design of the hardware, as the Nintendo DS and also the Pandora prove, that makes a device good. The PSP was one huge fail in that regard, right up to the PSP Go. I don't really have any faith in Sony coming up with something better... Also, I wonder what Nintendo is going to follow up the DS with. It'll be an exciting year for sure but I'm also pretty confident that the Pandora will be able to compete in awesomeness, functionality, available games (emulation + open source + easy development = win!) and trash most of the competition when it comes to ethics.
 
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Looks like PSP 2 is powerful enough to run Crysis/2, I think I already know who will win the next gen hand held war.
 

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Thomas Dequinas said:
Looks like PSP 2 is powerful enough to run Crysis/2, I think I already know who will win the next gen hand held war.

Apple?
 
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1+ on apple, iphone 2-3-4-5 must be the new winner in the handheld race, nothing is more fun then playing on your phone. right???
Wish I had an iphone then I would be as cool as all the other kids out there..... :(
Hate LG they tricked me to buy there useless mobile!
 
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