A journey of self discovery (Latest Artwork and progress)


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I've been going through the framed ink book and it's been eye opening. I need to study these things a bit before I continue. The framed ink books explains how you direct and control the piece to express what you want. How there's movements and how things affect what we see. Emphasis on things.

I think i may park the hookah piece and maybe even redraw it now that I have a slightly better understanding of what i am trying to portray there as well as my tools. I wish I had access to a 3d printer and knew how to make models because I would make more accurate heads for these figures for what I am using them for (the heads are removable)

So might not see many updates or just simple experiments...
 

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Good stuff DrHAX
Funny I see this, I actually just got my Intuos 4 posted today, ordered it few days ago. I only had a Bamboo Fun before when I had a Mac, in 2012, and didn't actually use it much.
Thought I'd pick one of the better drawing pens/tablets up, so I could mess around with some sketches, illustrations
 

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Good stuff DrHAX
Funny I see this, I actually just got my Intuos 4 posted today, ordered it few days ago. I only had a Bamboo Fun before when I had a Mac, in 2012, and didn't actually use it much.
Thought I'd pick one of the better drawing pens/tablets up, so I could mess around with some sketches, illustrations
If you draw normally or sketch on paper get a felt nib for it. they simulate paper tooth well and make it closer to a marker.. The intuous is a great system. I just can't really use the tablets because I lost that eye hand disconnect skill you must have when using them. that's why the cintiq is worlds ahead because you're drawing on the screen Older model cintiqs are going for 200 and the recent 13.3 hd is selling for around 400 used.. Which may be a lot but considering how much these things cost new. my companion cost 4k new! :O
[doublepost=1501270710,1501265976][/doublepost]decided to do a sketch today using the figures. The inking book helped me position them, and the light and colour book gave me an idea of what to look for.
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Heres the reference
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while this is a simple sketch I noticed instantly how much different it is from my past work I am begining to understand the language these books speak. It is quite eye opening actually. the lighting elements are still a bit complex, but I understand enough to grasp what I was missing with shadows. I might try to set up a light box with the figures and see the effects of shadows and take pictures of it.
[doublepost=1501294898][/doublepost]Updated the sketch...
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Really pleased with how this came out so far. these figures have been worth the money can not wait till the normal sized ones come in. I am seriously considering taking measurements and seeing if it would be possible to 3d print some heads. Oh I forgot the tails in the sketch. I'll have to add that in..
[doublepost=1501299904][/doublepost]calling it quits for the night. it's been a busy day. I got an offer to display some things at a local winery. they require 30 pieces by sept. this offer was extended to my ex fiancee who panicked and basically shut down. Yeah that was the beginning of the end. I'm not exactly sure what I'll see what i'm able to make. Here's a progress of what i've done so far. I'm really tired and my gut says to come back tomorrow and look at it. maybe I'll adjust a few things with the line art. Add some details.. Yeah know.
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Quick progress piece on the sketch....
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Here's the final piece. Warning blood.
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Quite pleased with how it came out. I read a lot of the inked book used its knowledge to my advantage. I read the Krita book to the layer chapters and figured out the titles for the different layers. (Also gathered up my brushes I use to make blood.... found that using a darkening layer with them really makes it look right.) And the light and colour book gave me quite a bit of knowledge of what to look for and how to approach shadows a bit better. I still have a massive chunk of that book to go through. the framed ink book was shorter and more concise but the information it gave me really loaded up my brain. (till the point where I needed to take nap breaks. Which according to information I leaned in the past means I was actually learning things.

Today has been a really productive day. I went to a car show and did a bunch of photography. Most likely my winery exhibit will be photography.. I'm not sure I could pump out 30 quality digital art works. But who knows even I can see my progress.
 
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For some unknown reason the finishing of these pictures (hidden versions) is more interesting for me.
 

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Finished a piece.. I had a lot of fun with this one. And its not 100% done either
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can't wait to do the final touch...
 

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Yesterday was a pretty emotional day for me. i broke down completely. The only person who was able to help me was my music producer friend. its sad how none of my other friends were able to "talk" to me or "Understand" what was going on. He got instantly what I was saying...
 

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I feel better it's just that day was rough. Long day at work, got yelled at because of other people's mistakes. Come home there's no food have to instantly go up on the hill and work on a trailer my parents are offloading. Come back there's no food. Got lectured on how my EX might be coming back into town bla bla. Mother is freaked out. Just one thing, after, after,after another and then the charing port on my Cintiq finally went.... just.....o_O

Then the dread set in, and just nobody was "Listening"+o( Not a good feeling. Even my real life artist friend who normally got things was confused. I've come to realize I don't really know these people anymore. 5-4 years is a really long time, a lot can change in that time frame. Heck I've seen how it can all change in one day.:(
 

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Finished a piece.. I had a lot of fun with this one. And its not 100% done either
It would be more interesting if the laptop floated before him. For that, the right hand should be somewhere else, like doing the same thing as the right hand, and that would give a laid-back/relaxed attitude, which the face has.
 

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I discovered David Revoy's works yesterday. I bit the bullet and went for the insane option of fixing my cintiq companion... I.E getting the parts AND BUYING A NEW ONE!... Yes.... I got the four year warranty, because issues always seem to occur, and wacom is infamous in many a regard.

However as I saying. His comic Pepper and Carrot which is an adorable little comic about a witch and a cat is open source.

Wat? What do you mean open source.

He uses Krita and releases EVERYTHING. You can get the panels, the source files and the whole nine yards. So that means I can actually get the actually files he used to create it and reverse engineer what he does! :)

Also if i fix my first companion I might end up sticking linux on it or something. (Dual booting) :p That way I can try the linux version of Krita. The windows side will probably be used for coding as I got visual studio all installed with everything.:$

But just the fact he has tutorials and other things on his website is amazing. It's funny how with me going "I'm sticking with Krita!" while everybody goes "NO! USE PHOTOSHOP!"

has been an amazing move for my art. If it works for David Revoy successfully, and many other artists, it can work.. No it is working for me. I have just scratched the surface of what Krita has to offer. With the new cinti- I mean Mobile studio pro... Only thing that has me worried is usb-c.. however it charges via those ports so that means it won't have a failing barrel jack they bought for .0005 of a cent o_O

I am adding David Revoy to my study list for techniques :happy: Honestly its kind of inspiring.
Everybody told me that you can't use linux to make art. That you have to use a mac with photoshop... I know that's a load of horse wash.:p

On saturday my tablet should be arriving... and freaking out my family. If i survive i'll do a review of it.
[doublepost=1501873731,1501858833][/doublepost]I tried to use the intuos my ex left behind. Boy using a tablet after the cintiq.. IT's like trying to draw something while looking at mirror which is pointing at another mirror at your paper. The strokes feel like I'm a mile away from them, or barking orders at a very startled man to draw them for me. Just can't do it!

So i've been doing research.

Found a cute comic panel from David Revoy
https://www.peppercarrot.com/en/article364/episode-15-the-crystal-ball

As well as this.
http://www.davidrevoy.com/article259/making-of-episode-4

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which is eyebrow raising to me. While I view David's work itself as not 100% my cup of tea. As I am a bit more of a fan of darker styles of artwork.
Like my current favorite artist NatalieDeCorsair (also apparently most of the artists I am attracted too are foreign and Russian. A trait that my Ex and I seemed to share..)
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But David shows a technique, a starting a point, a how its done. He releases the source files and the whole 9 yards. It makes it possible to bridge the gap of pure confusion to actually making things in a timely manner. Just that GMIC filter thing when I get it down will save me so much time! I was doing every colour via layer and hand drawing it out and erasing it.

There's tricks and tips, and theres methodology. I don't need to reinvent the wheel here. I just need to learn how it's done first.

I am teaching myself how to do these things. I took art classes in school, but they hindered me. It seemed like anybody who was creative, had a spark flunked, and anybody who had no chances in hell of being an artist got A's.. this was one of the final blows to my ego as a person who wanted to create art. My schooling in many ways might as well been a jack boot on the back of my neck and the man with a revolver pulling the trigger.

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Every step of the way I take .I am taking in information. Finding new things and I am learning what works and doesn't. I am learning from others. Many us struggle with figuring out things. Half of the issue is figuring out what the issue is called, let alone how to fix it. Knowing the problem is half of the battle, or seeing how people do their ways really helps. Being taught via a stick being bashed against your head with somebody screaming "NIEN!!!!" Doesn't work.

This is an organic process and it must be treated as such. A thing my ex did not want to do. I watched her throw away her gifts and destroy her talents. She was so focused on speed painting for ease of making things... to sell.. to people who didn't exist. And she lost herself... and it showed heavily in her art. Even with the periodic Facebook posts I see, I see she's still lost.

Krita was dismissed by her instantly, I followed my gut and went with it. I am glad I did. The resources I have found, and what cost they are to me is so much better than if i were to use a pirated copy of photoshop. Because now I have access to tools that are solid, and purpose built. Also one of David's comics showed something that I had an idea to do for awhile now if I ever make a comic. I saw how it added to the flow of the piece and I could see it helping my stories and development.

I got three books coming in the mail.

These were recommended by David Revoy, and I saw the other two books he recommended I purchased on a whim and they helped dramatically. I saw the difference IMMEDIATELY. The one on animal anatomy, human anatomy, and the one on faces are tools that will help me iron out things. Many people are under the notion that a good artist never uses references, this is a fallacy, and idiotic one at best. There's many things the human brain does that need to be "uninstalled" to do art. It's difficult to describe.

Also I feel I have to say this, but Thank you so much guys.
this has been the most welcoming and supportive place I have ever been, and whilst this is a tech forum about the legacy of the Open Pandora, posting here made the most sense. It's a nurturing environment and it truly helps. Artist forums and Writer's forums tear you to shreds. Absolute shreds, and destroy you. They don't encourage, they bring you down and spit on you. Fill you with rules, doubts and notions (ONLY USE PHOTOSHOP! ADVERBS ARE THE WORK OF THE DEVIL!) However anybody who succeeds usually breaks the patterns or rules.

I've seen people fail by trying to hard to follow the pack. I am not paving my own or taking a machete through the forest. Instead I am going off of the beaten path. One which has been travelled, one which is a lot less stressful. One that is a bit more scenic. I am looking at what other people do to find what I can do.

I am not forcing a peg into hole. I am not forcing myself.

I am waiting for my devices to come in so I can continue drawing. I am taking this reprieve to study. I have found out so much about myself in july. And I see growth, and I see potential. I haven't hit many brick walls. Instead I am finding doors to go through them, or signs to turn around and go another way.

Things are good in life. I'm going to go get some tacos.
 

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Watching the amazon shipping tracker. It has shipped out and is coming.

(tried to find a gif to correlate to how he feels waiting for this.)
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Found this instead. seems oddly fitting though. I have a feeling this is more accurate to how people view it.. Ah I see you have the wacom that goes "Ping!"

Nvm John cleese to rescue with an accurate representation of me waiting for this to arrive.
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Hurry up and be saturday so I can be excited yet mutually underwhelmed and question my purchase!
 

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Grain-merge is a nice effect I did not know about. Then again, I only used PSP5 and Gimp. If JC is your accurate representation... you are scary (imprisoned in a parallel waiting timeloop, not of 2 months, but of 2 seconds)! (also: buy pants that have longer legs)
 

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it arrived today. Before the books even! I like it so far.i however cant find a set of brushes i was using!! Its a pack that had a bunch of pixel options. on my screenshots itstge yellow bordered ones. i cant find them!!
[doublepost=1501959768,1501953960][/doublepost]my books arrived. One of them was moldy and water damaged! how the hell? it was brand new, definitely returning it. Looks like it stored in a leaky garage for a decade. it was the most expensive too.
 

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New stuff, especially that which is out of print has got to have been waiting somewhere, presumably in a warehouse of some description for much of that time, and maybe that has a leaky roof. Of course, 'new' is not just a description of an items state of being unworn, unopened or unread, but also a claim that it's not as manky as all hell, so you're well within your rights to send it back and ask for reparations.
 

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I contacted amazon. They shipped out a new one. I just need to print out the label and send it back. That was rather painless
[doublepost=1501991108,1501968742][/doublepost]got a sketch going today. Sticking in a spoiler tag.
I'm going to play the twokinds card here...
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the GMIC filter is broken, and it doesn't really work. so it can't be part of my work flow.
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it didn't come with a stand which is kind of irritating. However the old companion one works.. People were saying it doesn't. I guess they expect everything to click in. ALso they were saying the power brick is massive. I was expecting something from like a damn nec laptop from the 90's. No it's about the size of a typical ibm laptop one from the early 2000's... its not that big. then again i'm not used to modern things so i'm not complaining. The stylus holder makes me crave a triple maduro... Do like the ink well pen holder that uses the security slot lock I haven't seen anybody ever use. if you have to lock your laptop to your desk like a bicycle you have other things to worry about. I imagine being stabbed over a can of coca cola is one of them.

Also the figurines are proving handy once more.

Overall this is a very nice rig. it has a full sized SD reader unlike the companion which is mircousb. Issues are its still windows ten. it however does actually go to a desktop mode unlike some of the laptops i've seen which is a plus. waking it up however, involves using a slider which is kind of nerve racking as I can see myself powering down the system via mistake. the screen is very nice, and people have been complaining about the size of it.. I think any bigger and you're reaching into territory of needing a bigger desk. (granted most people don't have two record players on their desks and a pile of trash. I really need to clean this damn thing)

I went for the best of the best with 16gb of ram an i7 processor and a 512gb SSD which the review people say are slow. Honestly the only thing that urks me is to get this high up you need to shell out money for the engineering features. This thing has a 3d scanning camera for making 3d models... Yeah I can't see myself using this feature ever.. I find it annoying I had to get it to get the 512gb and 16gb of ram.

Oh yes I was able to powerup the prior companion just enough to raid the krita resource files. I transferred over everything and I even got my tags back! *wipes brow*

Oh right this thing only has USB-C connectors... which is the future apparently. it charges via one and apparently photographers are STOKED about this because it means it can use usb-c battery packs...

Honestly i am just happy this thing charges and if it fubar's one port it has 2 others to fail.

Cons: Windows 10, using a power slider to wake it up, Damn intel sense 3d camera of the future. USB-c only

Seriously i think that camera is the thing that urks me the most because its the thing that jacked up the price of the unit the most. Unless it works in blender it aint of any use to me... at all.. I do not instantly feel like I spent too much or got ripped off. I am glad I didn't get a dud or a lemon. If anything I had to get had to take bullet I am glad it was a book and not this (Like I expected... honestly my expectations from wacom are pretty low.) I got the four year warranty to cover my behind for WHEN things do go south with this unit. There's probably going to be some hardware failure in a year or two.. and wacom will drag their feet.
 

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I am sorry if my criticism is unwanted (you kind of expressed that in your first posts) but here i go anyway.

First things first:
- I like your enthusiasm and willingness to learn new things. Doing it is the main way to learn these things, and being eager to learn is always a good thing.
- I do not think that everything someone creates is instantly art, so there might be a problem of terminology here that irks me.

You are just starting out and you have a long way to go, so I appreciate, that you are planning ahead on how you want to develop your skill.

However, you have been talking this whole thread about how you will start getting better but shown very little, while you have spent a massive amount of money for professional tools.

- why do you need a cintiq? and why do you need one of the most expensive models out there? for the stuff you are trying to do, pencil sketching would probably be the first logical step. that requires some paper and a set of pencils which would be roughly 1000$ cheaper.
start with practicing how to practice. practice every day, take your paper and pencils with you and sketch on the go and in public where you will find actual references that will challenge you. work on outlines first, poses and faces. details, anatomy, shadows and explore how much you can do with that pencil already.

- references: you've got a nice set of figurines but that won't help you if you don't have knowledge of anatomy as a base. this is why I urge you to go out and try to capture poses/faces of random people: challenge yourself! use references that you did not arrange to pose like you want, but try to sketch quickly while you see a striking or interesting pose, and do the rest from that blink of an eye memory that remains while the world moves on. using a figurine is useful for oil painting, when you have to work on the same imaginery pose for several weeks/months while the paint dries or when you are trying to capture a series of poses for animation. Also useful if you are trying to practice the same pose in different perspectives, so a good object for study.

- many digital artists use photos of models/actors as references and to learn.

- get some actual water colors if you have the patience and just experiment with colors. analogue colors! learn some color theory. you don't need to become an expert before you do anything further, but it will teach you fundamentals of how colors work together.

- then transfer the aquired knowledge to digital. krita is perfect for that.

once you have the basics down, you can deviate from the analogue technique and find your very own workflow, which is why digital painting is so much fun. don't want to do line art? start with color blotches instead... etc.

Reading your posts, it seems like you are getting ahead of yourself very quickly.

I am not a fan of anthropromophic manga style art. Just not at all my taste, so I really don't have an opinion on the style. I like the experimental use of color and attempts at composition on your last works though. The use of color isn't optimal, lot's of times it ruins the effect, as the colors don't stand apart, but sort of blend into a mud. for example the one with the floating character in between geometric shapes/space. the character should stand out and not disappear. I have a feeling that since the space is abstract, you should treat the colors and shapes more abstract as well, create more of a contrast in between and also give it a solid background and get rid of the transparency for now. the checkerboard placeholder doesn't do the picture any good.

excited to see you develop! always great to see people adopt new hobbies/interests (and actually sharing them!)

I went the other way recently, coming from a professional career in (performing) arts and switching to becoming a software developer.
 
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I picked the cintiq because I saw it as a tool I could grow into. I can tell you're from a higher up point even regards from your post.

You're right pencils are much better and cheaper. So is handwriting out a novel, so is drawing stick figures in the sand.

I figured since I could afford to go that extra distance I would. I got the books so I could reference. If it offends you, I won't call my pieces art.

I haven't touch any of these things in such a long time and honestly I see my weaknesses. Just the last piece was difficult to capture what I wanted. Hence why I was so disappointed that the figure drawing book was moldy and destroyed.

I see where I need to learn adjust and grow. My schooling or therefore lack of never touched on colour theory or even basic freaking lighting. That's why I am getting these books so I know what to look at, how to approach these things.

The transparency was on purpose with that piece as I printed it out and stuck it in a transaparent picture frame on inkjet transparency.

Also as useless as the cintiq is in somebody of my skill levels hands, it brings me great joy and inspires me to keep on going. I've only shelved one drawing. My last cintiq dying hurt my workflow. It kind of crushed me honestly and the emotional break down that one day...

These all but excuses, I am starting out and I hope to get to the point where I look at these poster drawings and go "by the gods what was I doing?!?!"

If you know any of good resources let me know. :)
 

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Oh I was by no means offended by you calling it art, it was meant to be a more general statement about wording and scope of criticism. I should have phrased that better.

Having fun with awesome tools is good and all, but my recommendations were meant to be actual recommendations. Learning composition and color theory is what you are doing and what you got yourself these books for, that was obvious and like I said, your enthusiasm and willingness to learn is exemplary (I wish I was like that more consistently).

What I meant to say with my remarks about the cintiq and the pencils is that I think you should start there with the basics and develop a discipline in practicing the foundations, instead of only fiddling with advanced tools that really only build and enhance these basic skills. And practicing every day is hard, especially if you need a desk full of tools to do it. This is why you should pack an analogue notebook and at least one pencil in your daypack at all times. So you can practice on the bus, the bench in the park, the stool at the coffee bar, whatever... dabble in all kinds of techniques that maybe do not interest you right now: gouache, oil, water based. maybe sculpting? whatever your fancy, you'll find that there is a lot that you can take away from these more classic techniques that will make you appreciate what you can do digitally way more!

Yes you can write a novel on paper with a pencil, or digitally (or even in vi, or in the sand). But that does not make a difference to the way you create the story (well for some people it actually does, but I don't want to go into so much detail). Using a medium to depict a scene is a totally different thing though and it does make a huge difference. I'd argue that learning how different colors, types of paints and brushes behave, teaches a big amount about how certain important effects and styles such as lighting, color palette and even shape/brush stroke/form are achieved. It's more like, yes you can write a story on a typewriter or with a quill and ink, but you can't learn calligraphy on a typewriter.

As you are trying to go for a gritty look, I strongly recommend trying some analogue techniques to play around and to learn some things about colors and how brushes/different types of media (oil might be too ambitious, but acrylics aren't as expensive and dry faster) work together. A cool exercise is painting a background using water colors, not even details, just a bit of color to create atmosphere and texture. then scan that/make a photo and crop it to use for your digital workflow and add line art to that. You can even use the texture to apply shading and further coloring and build characters with that.

My girlfriend works like this a lot if you'd like some inspiration (I love her work and use of color ^^.) and yeah I am sorry it's facebook... we're working on that.
https://de-de.facebook.com/carolina.nooss.illustration/
she almost always start with analogue sketches, works with a cintiq for her digital second step, but nowadays she is more into gouache and aquarelle, starting to work with oil paint and.

We worked on this project together which you might find interesting "Die Möglichkeit einer Insel" (the possibility of an island - and adaption of Michel Houellebecqs novell), which was a live animation play. All actors were animating foiled plates that we created under the artistic direction of juliazejn.de:
http://www.sputnic.tv/projects/die-moeglichkeit-einer-insel/
the style was very naive and crude, the animation plates had more of a DIY "holy crap we made all these work in 6 weeks" charme, but this was also done in mixed media (wells it's a theatrical play and installation of sorts with live camera setup to film all plates and two robot camera dollies ^^), especially when creating the plates. The lead designers were working digitally, painting backgrounds and cut out shapes, which were then printed to foil and most of the characters printed on construction paper to be assembled with joints.

The transparency was on purpose with that piece as I printed it out and stuck it in a transaparent picture frame on inkjet transparency.
I'd like to see the printed transparent version of your picture with some lighting, that will probably look a whole lot different then.

Check out a couple of youtube channels as well. Not talking bob ross, but some of the more serious and practical advice does come from these classical teachers. An awesome channel is draw mix paint for example. The guy really knows his stuff (he's oil painted portraits for US presidents that are on display in the white house, commissioned pieces):
He has very gritty and interesting style, this video teaches some awesome color theory in a practical way. His notes on style and aesthetics are very interesting and empowering, too.

Sorry if I came off as an ass, I do tend to do that a lot on the internet...
 
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I was actually hoping somebody like you would step in. Sorry if my tone was a bit aggressive. I didn't mean it too sound that way.

I welcome criticism and I applaud advice. I know I have a long ways to go, by Jove do I know that. But my current job allows for such study. ( twelve hour days 3-4 days a week.) as well as the pay is decent enough for me to budge for such tools.

I do have a scanner. I was considering getting some blue pencil lead so I could sketch, and if I want too ink.

I was considering carrying a small journal to just sketch or practice things.


One of the things I think I may do is make a simple base (lineart) to practice colour and lighthing. Use the advice from the books I have bought.

Getting links on places to look at our things to study are a god sent. Anything that gives me direction or sets me on the right path I appreciate heavily :)
 
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