BackAssward said:My laptop is over $3,000...that doesn't mean someone won't trip near me and splash it. How I treat my product has nothing to do with what can happen to it. An informed consumer is a happy consumer; I haven't implied anything, just asked a straight forward question on product stresses.greendots said:The pandora cost over $300 if you treat it that way you should be fine...
Regardless, it is a fair question to ask. I hope you aren't suggesting that we shouldn't ask these things?
Kloplop321 said:...
really good point to consider!
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I wonder if epoxy could shield it..
Let'snot get ahead of ourselves. I just asked a question. Unless MWestonsays different, I don't want this to go down as an actual concern. Toomany people get jumpy on these forums.DroneB Dev said:hmm, then i believe it would be extremely sensitive to humid conditions as well??
Fair enough. I certainly wasn't suggesting delays or even the epoxy. I was just asking what the tolerances were. I certainly cannot control if others take a question, and turn it into a concern.greendots said:...Idon't see the point of epoxying it- If its on and any water was to getinside its defiantly dead, if its off and water gets inside itsprobably dead. It seems like the pandora will always be on, at least insuspend.
It doesnt seem worth increasing the already extreme delays.
water is not a conductorDroneB Dev said:hmm, then i believe it would be extremely sensitive to humid conditions as well??
WhiteBat said:water is not a conductorDroneB Dev said:hmm, then i believe it would be extremely sensitive to humid conditions as well??
the iphone should be just as sensitive, and people drop them in pools and their fine
BackAssward said:What would happen if a liquid got in there, say a splash of water or a Coke? It's right next to the seam and two case openings. Or is this just a problem with the "capacitance" of our bodies and not an issue with a conductive material getting on it?MWeston said:"Do not touch when live"
It's the feedback loop for the 5V supply and the capacitance from your body is enough to throw it out of whack and even destroy the chip. It's ridiculously sensitive but it runs fine if you leave it alone.
Though, I guess that wouldn't help any parts of the inside, except that many electronics are fine once dried out, this sounds like a splash could fry the board, if liquids are indeed an issue.
Liquids or conductive material can short something out or cause a failure on any electronics. There's nothing unique here. There's nothing more or less risky about Pandora. It's just a piece of electronics like anything else. Many circuits are sensitive in most devices out there. No one sticks a label on them because they don't expect untrained individuals to be digging around inside. Since I know some people are going to be in there (at their own risk), I put a warning. That's it.BackAssward said:What would happen if a liquid got in there, say a splash of water or a Coke? It's right next to the seam and two case openings. Or is this just a problem with the "capacitance" of our bodies and not an issue with a conductive material getting on it?
Though, I guess that wouldn't help any parts of the inside, except that many electronics are fine once dried out, this sounds like a splash could fry the board, if liquids are indeed an issue.
DroneB Dev said:XD, thats why i dont usually open up threads because everyone starts badgering at everyone.
from what i see the point of the thread (on the image) is what it said.
then it says "do not touch when live" with an explanation
so theres goes a neew question is it gonna be too sensitive to spillings or to the touch?
there so if it is then can it get a blob of epoxy going to make it less sensitive?
and then MWeston responds at the previous post.
and now im trying to say this. and try to ask and confirm what kind of sensitivity would it be.
if it is phisical pin 2 pin shorting, or C/R/L factor variation, OR EM affecting the Package itself
why everything has to be so hard to ask?.
MWeston said:"Do not touch when live"
It's the feedback loop for the 5V supply and the capacitance from your body is enough to throw it out of whack and even destroy the chip. It's ridiculously sensitive but it runs fine if you leave it alone.
W_h_y__e_v_e_r_y__l_i_n_e__d_o_u_b_l_e__s_p_a_c_e_d ?DroneB Dev said:XD, thats why i dont usually open up threads because everyone starts badgering at everyone.
from what i see the point of the thread (on the image) is what it said.
then it says "do not touch when live" with an explanation
so theres goes a neew question is it gonna be too sensitive to spillings or to the touch?
there so if it is then can it get a blob of epoxy going to make it less sensitive?
and then MWeston responds at the previous post.
and now im trying to say this. and try to ask and confirm what kind of sensitivity would it be.
if it is phisical pin 2 pin shorting, or C/R/L factor variation, OR EM affecting the Package itself
why everything has to be so hard to ask?.
In some languages, you don't use commas and periods to space out your text, but instead structure it so that pauses naturally fall in at the right places because your eyes have to move.Nation.A.List said:W h y e v e r y l i n e d o u b l e s p a c e d ?DroneB Dev said:XD, thats why i dont usually open up threads because everyone starts badgering at everyone.
from what i see the point of the thread (on the image) is what it said.
then it says "do not touch when live" with an explanation
so theres goes a neew question is it gonna be too sensitive to spillings or to the touch?
there so if it is then can it get a blob of epoxy going to make it less sensitive?
and then MWeston responds at the previous post.
and now im trying to say this. and try to ask and confirm what kind of sensitivity would it be.
if it is phisical pin 2 pin shorting, or C/R/L factor variation, OR EM affecting the Package itself
why everything has to be so hard to ask?.
Would hot-melt glue do the trick?dflemstr said:And I, too, demand some kind of isolating material for that sensitive spot on the Pandora; it's ridiculous that a rogue rain drop has the potential of hosing the whole board/chipset. If no protection is added, I will add some myself by applying silicon or something...
DroneB Dev said:XD, thats why i dont usually open up threads because everyone starts badgering at everyone.
from what i see the point of the thread (on the image) is what it said.
then it says "do not touch when live" with an explanation
so theres goes a neew question is it gonna be too sensitive to spillings or to the touch?
there so if it is then can it get a blob of epoxy going to make it less sensitive?
and then MWeston responds at the previous post.
and now im trying to say this. and try to ask and confirm what kind of sensitivity would it be.
if it is phisical pin 2 pin shorting, or C/R/L factor variation, OR EM affecting the Package itself
why everything has to be so hard to ask?.
Yeah, for sure. Unless you happen to use hot glue mixed with gold-plated conducting copper...Nation.A.List said:Would hot-melt glue do the trick?dflemstr said:And I, too, demand some kind of isolating material for that sensitive spot on the Pandora; it's ridiculous that a rogue rain drop has the potential of hosing the whole board/chipset. If no protection is added, I will add some myself by applying silicon or something...
MWeston said:Liquids or conductive material can short something out or cause a failure on any electronics. There's nothing unique here. There's nothing more or less risky about Pandora. It's just a piece of electronics like anything else. Many circuits are sensitive in most devices out there. No one sticks a label on them because they don't expect untrained individuals to be digging around inside. Since I know some people are going to be in there (at their own risk), I put a warning. That's it.
Out of the thread:dflemstr said:In some languages, you don't use commas and periods to space out your text, but instead structure it so that pauses naturally fall in at the right places because your eyes have to move.Nation.A.List said:W h y e v e r y l i n e d o u b l e s p a c e d ?DroneB Dev said:XD, thats why i dont usually open up threads because everyone starts badgering at everyone.
from what i see the point of the thread (on the image) is what it said.
then it says "do not touch when live" with an explanation
so theres goes a neew question is it gonna be too sensitive to spillings or to the touch?
there so if it is then can it get a blob of epoxy going to make it less sensitive?
and then MWeston responds at the previous post.
and now im trying to say this. and try to ask and confirm what kind of sensitivity would it be.
if it is phisical pin 2 pin shorting, or C/R/L factor variation, OR EM affecting the Package itself
why everything has to be so hard to ask?.
I seriously doubt that DroneB Dev speaks such a language, however, because his sentences use the typical German/Latin sentence structure and "open up threads" makes me suspect that he indeed speaks German.
And I, too, demand some kind of isolating material for that sensitive spot on the Pandora; it's ridiculous that a rogue rain drop has the potential of hosing the whole board/chipset. If no protection is added, I will add some myself by applying silicon or something...
@AninhumerI'd imagine most modders aren't intending to fiddle with the board while it's live anyway.