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ZX Vega +

Discussion in 'Everything else' started by Fzero, Feb 16, 2016.

  1. vcoleiro1

    vcoleiro1 Hardcore Member

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    Well, the leaker has now posted what he claims is all RCL's bank account statments/transactions from before the IGG campaign ended in early March 2016 until mid July 2017. IGG campaign ended late March 2016. It shows the money comming in from IGG and Paypal and then out again over time to various expenses including wages and lawyers. Payments from original Vega console sales are aslo seen coming in, and then out again to expenses/wages/lawyers etc. There is payments in there to SMS in May 2016 etc, but the leaker claims it was to repay debt rather then make the Vega+. If real and if they don't have a second account with money from elsewhere. And if those SMS payents were for debt repayment, then it doesn't look good.

    The leaker has been tweeting RCL's lawyers asking them to make sure RCL have money before doing anymore work for them as they believe they don't have any. Which is probably not the case, as money from original Vega sales was seen to be going into the account regularly. Not sure if there was a fraud case opened to start with, but they also tweeted the police asking them to update backers on fraud investigations into RCL. . Anyway, it's getting really nasty.

    RCL had said in the last updates that the Vega+ would ship around/by Oct 5th and be in backers hands by Oct. They also said there would be further updates and pics leading upto delivery - so far there has been nothing. Will be interesting to see what happens by mid next month (roughly 3 weeks away)

    EDIT: And now this:

    http://retro-computers.co.uk/videos/video/52
     
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  2. vcoleiro1

    vcoleiro1 Hardcore Member

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    1) David Levy fought a court case against a refund small claim, stating that they didn't have to give refunds as per Indiegogo. This was there court defense: https://www.rllmukforum.com/index.p...o-fundraiser/&do=findComment&comment=11621616

    Frankly, that is just horse shit. This is from Indiegogo Terms of Use:

    "Campaign Owners are legally bound to perform on any promise and/or commitment to Contributors (including delivering any Perks). Indiegogo does not recognize any third party and/or agency affiliated with the Campaign as a Campaign Owner. If a Campaign Owner is unable to fulfill any of its commitments to Contributors (including delivery of any Perks), the Campaign Owner will work with the Contributors to reach a mutually satisfactory resolution, which may include refunding Contributions. Please note that if Campaign funds have been disbursed to the Campaign Owner, then it is the Campaign Owner's responsibility to issue refunds to Contributors."

    Also of interest:

    "Campaign Owners will respond promptly and truthfully to all questions posed to them by Indiegogo or any Contributor. Campaign Owners will provide substantive and quality updates at least once a month to their Contributors"

    "This commitment includes shipping Perks to Indiegogo Contributors before fulfilling any orders received after the Campaign has ended"

    Source:
    https://www.indiegogo.com/about/terms

    2) Well after making updates in August and Sept stating that RCL aimed to ship the Vega+'s to backers by Oct 5th and then have them in the hands of backers by mid Oct. They have now instead released this update: www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=mjHVns-zMVQ . That video in their update is discracefull and what seems to be a reaction to the small claims. Why they cannot fulfill the barest minimum of Indiegogo's communictaion requirements is beyond me. IGG requires they update backers once a month at minimum, even then they are meant to be "substantive and quality updates". A slap in the face to be frank. It poorly shows a translucent plastic part being made via injection moulding. Given the hint (B) and a closer look at the video, it appears the buttons are being made (but really it could be anything). Why translucent , unless it's a prototype run?.

    3) In the smnall claims reply by RCL, they state they are still testng and debugging the SW . But their IGG updates say they should have them in backers hands by now .

    4) Lee Fogarty has now left the project and has made a long and pretty telling statement:

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/WorldOfSpectrum.org/permalink/1994392157502113/


    Doesn't look good
     
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  3. erico

    erico Advanced Member

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    Why can´t they create an autonomous country from an indiegogo campaign? :D :D :D Those are just like taxes!
    That is not fair!!
     
  4. Ian J

    Ian J Advanced Member

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    That Lee Fogarty FB post looks suspiciously like the shites going to hit the fan and he's trying to distance himself from it.

    No apologies for any of the lies or abuse he's posted.

    It's a pity the campaign didn't have this level of honesty throughout, I think the community would have rallied to get the device manufactured.

    Reading the whole of Lees posting I don't think the Vega+ will be worth having when it is eventually released.
     
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  5. vcoleiro1

    vcoleiro1 Hardcore Member

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    @Ian J

    Lee's statment was pretty bad. I don't know where they go from here. There is only Levy, Suzzane , Janko and Clives company left now . Clive has had no input into it for a long while by the looks of it. Janko is busy on his own campaign -> Gemini PDA. That leaves just Suzzane and Levy.
     
  6. levi

    levi Still fresh, damnit!

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    Would it be okay if you or someone posted the content of Lee's FB post here? I can't see it as it's behind an FB login.
     
  7. pmprog

    pmprog Advanced Member

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    Just follow the rllmuk link, it's on there too as screen shots
     
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  8. Ian J

    Ian J Advanced Member

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    Or the Vega + unofficial news site, it has the whole sordid story.

    http://retro-computers.co.uk/daily-blog/
     
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