- Oct 3, 2008
Great to have that confirmed. Thanks! I'm all set for the arriving Pandora then. USB Ethernet dongle, Huawei 3G dongle, hub, Beagleboard, laptop for SDK, etc.
Till now, they pretty much managed to fix a massive amount of things in a short timeframe : 1,5 years only during their free time...Harakiri23 said:People who think its fine that these issues are still there after such a long time are delusional, they believe that magically within the first 1-2 weeks all these issues are resolved.
This is the reason i feel like i have been lied to - all the waiting time is fine - but now when i receive the device - it still doesnt work as advertised.
Harakiri23 said:Im a dev myself with 10+ years of C, C++ experience, also reverse engineering and ASM to a lesser degree - i highly doubt even 5% of the preorder people would fulfill a similar
skill-set and could work right on the open issues. Moreover, how many people would have the passion to use their free-time to fix basic things (i.e. not nice to have but basic functionality) - even if they did - people need to realize developing such things takes a long time, which you just cant do in a small timeframe when you have a job/family.
And on that day one, there weren't any wifi drivers AT ALL. There was no 3D (or did we get that just before end of 2008? I remember it was missing for the longest time). There was no sound. There was no libPND; all those videos of "insert and play!" wouldn't have been possible. There was only one hacked together launcher. I'm pretty sure there was no user-land way to control the CPU speed. If it had shipped on day one, we would have gotten an incredibly incomplete OS, we were well informed of this fact prior to pre-order, and yet almost 4000 people still stepped up to purchase it.Harakiri23 said:
Hi. No. Not everyone wants to work on a hacked together and expensive pre-alpha-prototype. Using a screwdriver to contact the keys might work for some, but others would prefer to work on finished hardware, thank you very much.Harakiri23 said:Furthermore, if there are people who are capable of fixing the issues - which i believe would be developers really attached to this device - wouldnt
you have heard it in the forum here already that these devs are asking for a development device to fix the current issues?
History has shown that that is exactly how it works. The GP32 and GP2X weren't perfect out of the box, and users fixed the software and made them better. Now the Pandora is made by those very people that worked to fix the software in the GP32 and GP2X. I'd say the odds of any problems being fixed by an end user increase.Harakiri23 said:You just assume that it works like that - no - you HOPE it works like that.
I was certain nobody was there when I did that :blink:WizardStan said:Hi. No. Not everyone wants to work on a hacked together and expensive pre-alpha-prototype. Using a screwdriver to contact the keys might work for some, but others would prefer to work on finished hardware, thank you very much.
Chairman_Now said:rabidpoobear said:you plenty of examples where hardware didn't work correctly out of the box. The people who think that it's acceptable that WiFi doesn't work are the people who haven't cancelled their order.
The only example given in this thread was really lame. The G1? The 1.0 version of the firmware worked. Sure, it had problems, but all hardware was supported. Poor example.
I seriously doubt that the majority of pre-orders realize that significant hardware simply won't be functional when they open the box - due to the (purposeful?) lack of communication that is endemic with OP. Again, this is the equivalent of shipping without video drivers. Would you be OK with that, too?
Most people don't visit these forums very often, and I'd wager that you fully realize that. They won't cancel over an issue that they're unaware of.
I was disappointed when I realized that "Slow wifi" means "Unusable wifi". In my mind (and perhaps not in yours) WiFi is pretty much core functionality.cappuchok said:I'm actually not disappointed by ED's statements. I would never expect perfection at the start from this which essentially is a community driven project. As time goes by it will mature, but the fun part will be seeing how it evolves, being along for the ride. That's a big reason why I bought into this.
I doubt you need to do that, Network Manager seems to working as advertised. Plug in the stick, Kernel detects it, drivers activate, Click Network Manager - Configure stick. Easy.VRAndy said:
Awww. That sounds altogether too easy.mindlord said:I doubt you need to do that, Network Manager seems to working as advertised. Plug in the stick, Kernel detects it, drivers activate, Click Network Manager - Configure stick. Easy.VRAndy said:
Prometheus said:I hope you don't mind me asking, but I'm really curious: Was this a machine with a distro that was pre-installed by Hewlett Packard?rabidpoobear said:Hell, my HP laptop didn't have WiFi support under Linux for a good 2 years after it shipped so I already had to use a dongle in that situation too.
If so, I can identify with that - I purchased a clearance HP Mini-Note 2133 recently, which had SUSE pre-installed, and it didn't even work out-of-the-box with its own wireless card. And this is from HP, who seem to be regarded as decent with their Linux support...
Sounds like something Packard Bell would've done back in the day. Good riddance to them. Looks like Hewlett Packard inherited some of those bad behaviors.rabidpoobear said:No, the distro wasn't pre-installed. I don't know if HP does this with a lot of their laptops, but at least with mine, they changed all the device ID's to random gibberish, so even on Windows you can't use the default drivers for any of the devices on it. You have to use drivers provided by them. There are ways to hack the .inf files to add their random device ID's if you know what device it is supposed to be, but I'm stupid when it comes to Linux and couldn't figure this out myself. Someone posted a howto eventually that I followed, but before then it was pretty much impossible to get working. And the funny thing is that the WiFi module was one that was compatible - if they had not messed with the device strings to make it "custom".
I'm sure you could find that quote, I know I wouldn't be able to.VRAndy said:We were absolutely promised a usable device