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ZX Vega +

Discussion in 'Everything else' started by Fzero, Feb 16, 2016.

  1. Ian J

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  2. vcoleiro1

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    Where is Sir Clive in all this, his company is still listed as one of the four directors. And I presume he owns part of RCL. But not a peep from him, nor has anyone brought him up. Weird.

    You woul think he'd step in for his companies rep sake
    --- Double Post Merged, May 3, 2017, Original Post Date: May 3, 2017 ---
    And here is your answer to what happened to RCL's web sites. As suspected, someone else bought them. Here is a comment by the ex RCL director who has been at war with the current RCL directors for ages now.


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    If you haven't checked how bad the purchase of the site http://zxvega.co.uk/ is for RCL, have a click on the domain, you will see it directs to BUM FUN GAMINGs site. This is a site by the guy below who makes youtube videos ripping into RCL. Below is his latest video in reply to the domain name fiasco


     
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  3. Ian J

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  4. vcoleiro1

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    It came from here: https://www.rllmukforum.com/index.p...ndiegogo-fundraiser/&page=29#comment-11373238
    No idea where he got it


    Here is RCL's (Lee Fogarty) reply to Andrews claim .

    http://archive.is/hg2bH#70%

    "AndrewsUK invoiced RCL for the domain names until 2018. He didn’t pay the bills so when it went down this week, RCL claimed the domain – rightfully as they had paid in advance, and it was another company asset not handed over. This would have alerted him, so he got Cooper & Cropper to also claim them, then approved their claims. This then shows on the registry as a new purchase."
     
  5. Ian J

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    The Vega+ really does take crowd funding incompetency to a new low.
     
  6. ZXDunny

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    He's... Out of circulation at present. He's quite an old man now, so you can probably guess what's happening there.
     
  7. pmprog

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    What I don't get, is Paul says in that mail that he wants to distance himself from RCL, yet he still owns a stake in the company, so I don't really know how well you can clean your hands of this mess whilst in that state.
     
  8. ZXDunny

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    The main problem I suppose is that there's a lot of unknowns - why does Paul have a stake in the company? Who started all this in the first place? Who didn't get paid? Who walked off with thousands? I'm pretty well clued up on the whole thing (I was one of the guys who had to recover a lot of RCL's web presence when Paul apparently failed to hand over the assets they needed) but I only get RCL's side of the story. Rather than rash speculation and accusation - which is alive and well on Facebook of all places, surprise surprise - it would do everyone some good to just calm down, let the police investigations run their course and see what happens.

    Of course, if you've given money to RCL then you might rightly be a bit miffed about the delays but tbh I've heard nothing but reasonable explanations for them from inside RCL. As I've said before, they owe me a considerable (to me) sum of cash for work I've done, but I'm not chasing them for it at present as they've got enough on their plate as it is.
     
  9. Ian J

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    As far as I an recall Paul has kept a stake in the company because he's owed money, while he has a stake the company can't be liquidated (75% of shareholders must agree to liquidation)

    All of the issues RCL are having come down to a lack of communication, how hard can it be to post on indiegogo what's happening, even if it's something like "case moulds still being worked on"

    They seem more concerned about trying to stop bad press (banning people on facebook) than posting news that would actually in itself stop the bad press.

    Something else that REALLY gets my goat is that any feedback to comments are on facebook as they can control the community there, I don't have FB and don't want to sign up to get info on a campaign that already has a section for discussion.

    I work as an account manager, this is the worst PR I have EVER seen, If I treat my clients like this I would be dismissed very quickly.

    I'm interested to see how the Gemini PDA campaign runs as that is now InDemand.
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    @ZXDunny

    Are you the owner of WOS as mentioned on The Democratic Blog?
     
  10. ZXDunny

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    Ha! No, I don't own WOS, though I've been around almost since its inception. A chap named Lee Fogarty owns WOS, and has done since Martijn Heide left a few years ago.
     
  11. Ian J

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    Ha I did not know that, I feel so dirty visiting there now. :)

    I was going on the statement that said "he restores databases" and I know you helped RCL with recovering data for them.
     
  12. vcoleiro1

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    My guess is since they haven't produced the Vega + 's even though they have said for a while the HW is done and can roll of the assembly line. And becuase they haven't filed their company accounts, now very late. It suggests to me , they haven't got the moeny to do a significant production run - and filing the accounts would expose that if true. I mean this thing about waiting on the games seems nonsense to me, I'm sure backers would take the HW with whatever games they have now - they could always download the rest when they come - so that's not even a valid delay issue. So , yeah. something is very amiss.

    Also, it's worrying that they have said the first production run has been done ( a little while ago now) , if that were true, why did we see only 12-20 Vega's that some say were the prototypes. Was the first production run 12-20 units?. If not, where are the rest ?. And yet still when quizzed on the Gemini PDA comments, their CEO says the first production run was done - which raises questions to me about why they would say that.
     
  13. Ian J

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    Even now with all of the anger towards RCL unless they actually say they aren't going to deliver the Vega+ I still feel that with the right communication they could bring the community back on side.

    People are passionate about the product, it's just that due to poor decisions it's mostly negative.
     
  14. Ian J

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    Former RCL director: It was me who cancelled their domain names

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    Backers are being advised to contact Action Fraud and Citizens Advice about the campaign as certain comments from RCL show that they mislead backers while the campaign was live.


    TBH I think RCL are so desperate to calm backers they respond to criticism without thinking, this has lead them to look as though they are being fraudulent when they maybe are just being dumb.

    As my mother said "honesty is the best policy"
    It's always worked for me, if one of my clients knows an item will be delayed they are more understanding than me promising it will be there when I know it won't.

    Ever sat in for a parcel/contractor and it/they didn't arrive? How annoying is that.
     
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    So do you know what the deal is with the two domains that were canceled by Andrews and bought by Nick Cooper (ex RCL sales agent who they sued out of business)
    Did Andres not hand over the domains to you when you were recovering web assets? Why was his name left on the domains?
     
  16. ZXDunny

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    I have no idea what happened with the domains - I'm not in charge of them. And no, Andrews did not apparently hand them over. As far as I can tell, Andrews gave them up, Nick Cooper knew about it (how?) and snapped them up so that he can abuse them. That's my take on it, at least.

    I'm sitting on the outside looking in, as you guys are. It seems prudent not to get involved with RCL at this time. When they get their shit together I'll start building a new relationship with them.
     
  17. Ian J

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    Oh boy. RCL posted these comments in responce to people on facebook.

    So they are saying the campaign funding target was unrealistic and based on a finger in the air methodology done by previous management.


    "Retro Computers The original target was a completely unrealistic "finger in the air" figure set by the previous management.

    There was no formal budget or bill of materials produced before the campaign was started.

    Even on the basis that RCL had purchased, owned and already paid for a number of assets that should have been used to create the Vega+ , these assets were subsequently withheld by Paul Andrews and Chris Smith, even after Mr Smith was paid a significant sum following his resignation - this figure is under budget.

    As a consequence we had to commission and create the Vega+ from scratch paying for a number items twice and causing the delay you are now well aware of.

    We have issued a refunds to a number of backers - we have also had a significant number of people change there minds and in particular following the recent hijack.
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    Bart Dujardin the original 150k was unrealistic.
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    · Reply · Yesterday at 7:29pm"


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    In other news, it looks like Paul Andrews has rejoined Retro Games Ltd (Not to be confused with RCL) as a director. He quit Retro Games Ltd a year ago, but now has rejoined. Retro Games being behind "The 64" Indiegogo campaign. The company that's attempting to design , create tooling and build both a handheld and desktop C64 console and provide them to 400+ backers. All for the Flexible funding they got from Indiegogo in the amount of $100K

    https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/09745704/officers
     
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  19. pmprog

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    Nearly, but not quite... they're designing, tooling and building a handheld, and two desktops! THE64 and THE64Mini...
     
  20. vcoleiro1

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    Oh well, thats perfectly doable then :p
     

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