sbock said:Ah yes. I understand. And people who say the axe is 3 years old are called trolls? That's quite easy...
I think that WizardStan's pretty close actually - it's all down to how you consider it. He's saying, if I read him right, that none of the parties are trolls. Just that they have different interpretations. The problem comes IMHO when people don't spend enough time to consider the other people's points of view.
Let's forget analogy, for a moment, and return to the ED/Craig/GP32 replacement console and look at it from the extreme points of view.
From your POV (which I personally tend to agree with) since ED and Craig set out their stall to produce a better, faster, more capable handheld gaming console - the Pandora 1 seems, currently, to be the fruit of that endevour. So any projection that they would have one ready by end of Dec 2007 is valid, and the project is 2 years late and counting, with anything prior to the final Pandora being simply part of their R&D process and not in any way the customers fault.
From EDs point of view, as best I can grasp it (since I generally agree with your POV, more-or-less) they've had several (at least 2) projects. One failed, and although it certainly informed the Pandora project in many ways, it was not part of the Pandora project and it all happened way, WAY before any money was taken. So ED could quite easily hold the Pandora as being little more than 1 year late since, IIRC, money was taken around October 2008 with the delivery target of November-December 2008 (rolling into the new year if things didn't go well) - anything before that was not "firm" and possibly not "Pandora" as such.
Personally, I'd rather find the way different people consider the projects the same, different, or linked to be interesting than to generate so much heat that not everyone holds the same view. It's fascinating (to me) how the same information can paint such different pictures, and that this variety in US may be a large part of what makes this planet so varied. If ED did promise A better replacement console for December 2007 then clearly he failed to deliver - and will ALWAYS have failed to deliver that console, because they stopped developing it - they abandoned it and any promises made for or about it, and moved on to something with very similar, but extended, goals.
The other way to view it is that of ED/OpenPandora "twisting" the facts to minimise their guilty conscience, or of you and... that other fellow who posted similarly of trying to "twist" the facts to make them out to be more incompetant/less honest than they are. I am not convinced that we have any such thing going on here - I really believe what we have is very different opinions/interpretations of the available facts, and it's just delicious HOW different the opinions are. It's like seeing two people regard a childs soccer ball, and having one person say "it's yellow" while another retort that "it is clearly blue". They're obviously both wrong, of course - it's green!
Edited to change a "3" to a "2" thanks to a kind note from Awakening. Other misc typos corrected while I was here
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